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Relocation but I'll have a moral crisis when the 18th richest sports owner asks for taxpayer handouts to subsidize it's profit. Not a fan of socialized debt for private profit, whether it's solar city or the Buffalo Bills.

I'd bet my life that the impact of the anthem protests is wildly overstated and a minor blip on the impact. It's an emotional topic, I get it. But not enough people are tuning out because of it. Those that state they are, aren't, they're merely symbolically stating that as their protest against the protest. And if you are, you're a simpleton and never liked the NFL or football to begin with. The above-stated issues are more likely the NFL's current and future problems... over-saturation being a key one. Remember when games started at 1 and 4 as a rule? Now games are too long, forcing us to give up more of our lives to have commercials jammed down our throats. I don't like the NFL cultural. Antonio Brown's dance act the other night turned me off, more so because the cameras stayed on him on the sidelines to watch his pathetic act. I don't relate to the players anymore. That's me getting old but a culture further disconnected from the average person's reality. I am as disgusted by the greed and slave trading mentality of owners like Jerry Jones as much as those are about the anthem. The guy is a greedy, arrogant, piece of excrement who talks about the shield like it's a war emblem to be fought for but isn't ashamed to put his hand out for hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to "help" the most valuable franchise in the league. Sick of disgusting business side of it. The hypocrisy of owners like Jones sucking of the govt teat while telling his players they must stand, that's 1850 slaveowner sh!t right there. Utilize power and money to exploit. Sick of announcers yelling and screaming hyperbole and overstatement and jockstrap-driven "analysis." Premier League soccer has the best announcers, super smart, super calm, super intellectual, super well spoken and here's the thing... not trying to make the game about them. It's not their stage. Too many announcers try to entertain. I wish they'd STFU. Sorry but nothing grinds my gears more than the butchering of the English language and the need to talk like some thug on the street, dropping slang, nicknames, and other garbage. That's not racial, stereotypical, or intolerant. I was raised and educated to speak well. Being well-spoken should be the norm, not the exception. I shouldn't, and don't, feel bad for suggesting that people paid to be COMMUNICATORS speak well. Would you except your newspaper articles being written like some of these jokers talk? Funny, they hold the educated professional reporters and hosts to that higher standard most of the time but the idiot jocks get to act like their at a bar with their buddies. The NFL has devolved. It's model it to try and be cool and hip and urban and edgy but in the end, while the model seeks to corral the young demographic, my generation that grew up with the Bills in the 80s and 90s has nearly all turned away from the NFL because of the NFL. They don't relate to it anymore. It's simply a circus. When you want to punch an announcer or throw the remote through the TV at the 7th airing of the half of the Nationwide Peyton Manning commercial, that's not good for the NFL. And honestly, the younger population doesn't seem as universally enthralled as we were. I think the NFL has a problem on its hands. And it's self-created.

None. Don't watch the NFL outside of Bills games and occasionally some MNF or TNF at the end of the day. Otherwise, time is better spent doing anything but riding the couch. And it has zero to do with any protests. I don't have 3.5 hours to watch 12 minutes of action and 3 hours of commercials and listen to moron announcers. NFL product in TV sucks. I suffer through Bills games but I'm not willing to deal with it just for the hell of it,

Like I said Day 1, D is good and they'll keep this team in games. TT is garbage, as I've said all along. 2 full season already proved it.

Was that the FO out there throwing the ball?

This is a TT loss. Plain and simple. Inability to execute the offense and 6 pts off 3 turnovers should not won't spell the end of the TT experiment. this wasn't a bad game by TT, it was an affirmation for this staff of the limitations they've seen on film the last two seasons.

I'm still right here. This guy sucks. Dalton, a mediocre qb makes throws and reads his joker can't dream of much less execute. You should all hope to go 3-13 and get rid of this problem. Defense has been awesome and yet this guy rarely throws to his first read unless he's wide open and always goes to his second read when it's too late. Don't blame the absence of Matthews or loss of Watkins, TT has sucked with a full complement of WR and TE. He has always sucked and will always suck and anyone who believes otherwise is merely an irrational homer and dreamer.

Save your money, come here and read the conversations, they're as informed and I would argue more valuable. You get more in a multipage thread than in a 6 column inch article.

The fact you ended your post with the most commonly perpetuated myth in Buffalo in the last 5 years explains the ignorance of reality that started your post. Try reading anything on the history of Buffalo (Mark Goldman’s work; Power Failure, etc.) and then report back on whether or not the troubles this city and region faced after WWII is overstated. Do you hold the same comment about Detroit? And because you supposedly have fared well here does not make your argument valid, in fact it’s only an indictment of your blindness to reality and other possibilities. Bethlehem Steel once employed over 25,000 well paid workers with middle class wages. Same with the multitude of other steel and metals related industries. This was a blue collar, get your hands dirty community. You graduated in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and generally went to work at 18. Shipping and warehousing were important as well, starting from the city’s inception through the Canal era and rail eras. It supported our place as a dominant manufacturing region. But those jobs have largely disappeared. People who lost jobs didn’t leave for more money, they left for a job, any job. When Bethlehem and Roblin and Hanna Furnace and Republic closed, those thousands of workers didn’t find their skills valuable here anymore. And when Bethlehem laid off literally thousands on one day, there weren’t 1,000 jobs in other steel factories for them to go get. And the region as a whole struggled to transition to a knowledge and advanced services economy. Which is still a problem today. It’s not like when Bethlehem closed in the early 80s, Microsoft was here willing to employ 1,000 steel workers in computer engineering. An economy over-leveraged in making things can’t simply just flip the switch and become a different economy with the existing human capital. You can’t subsidize your way out of it. Or build your way out of it. And if you believe the region or city is on the rise, it surprises me not at all given your predisposition to see this place only through your own eyes only and constructed reality. The region just, JUST, got back to the employment level of 2001. So we’ve risen to what? Back to 2001? Does anyone think things were great in 2001? That’s the resurgence? Population in the city has decreased every year since 1950. Yes. Every. Single. Year. How does that work with the resurgence narrative exactly? Regional population is stagnant since 1970. Median household income in the city is a few hundred dollars less today, when adjusted for inflation, than when Byron Brown started in office. We have one of the highest poverty rates in any large cities. Low paying services as a percentage of the overall economy are higher than the national average, meaning we’re creating low end jobs. But I suspect if you’re doing well and enjoying all the craft beer and hip over-priced eating establishments in the city, you don’t care that those people serving you represent the new jobs in the “new” Buffalo, which is a lot like the old Buffalo. Shame on you for equating the cool places you get to spend your money at as indicative of a resurgence. Shame on you for being historically ignorant and for accusing those who left for being driven by money and good weather rather than actually and truly being forced to leave for a job to put food on the table, clothes on their kids’ backs, and pay the bills. You are truly an ahole.

I'm right here. He's not good. He's mediocre. Still. You think you can win playoff games with him averaging 200 yards and 5 WR completions, missing open guys downfield and being inaccurate? This is the 2017 NFL, not the 1951 NFL.

It was always my understanding that it comes to control. He lost control before the arm came forward. Fumble. He never had control on the movement forward, he pushed the ball as it was coming out.

But not are paid millions to be athletes, you know paid to be be in shape, lay off the weed, etc.

Been to five other stadiums, worst food by far at NES. I never ever buy anything, if I'm hungry I force myself into a bag if peanuts. Delaware North's sports service and it's Sysco food products suck. I'm not a food snob but step it up.

Lost a lot of respect for #12 today. He's always been a simpleton country bumpkin, which was part of his charm, but he's just as prone to ignorance as anyone despite the adoration of an entire geography. Problem is, white American's love for this inanimate object is connected, rightly so or not, to the formation of this country by slave owners. It's creation and existence are embedded in whiteness and the actions of white racists. So any attempt by non-white's to challenge this symbol is a challenge to whiteness, but one conveniently veiled as "freedom" (tell that to the slaves who weren't free when the flag was created) and liberty. Nowhere is this mentality more engrained than the rural Appalachia that #12 grew up in and includes, geographically, the southern part of this state and where the seeds of this country's racism were planted. So Kelly's done to me. Don't care anymore what he says. Sadly, this division in our country being enjoyed by this bum in office is making us pick sides and distance ourselves from friends, family, and now athletes we liked.

Worst metric ever. Just go look at game box scores. had this conversation in week 1 randomly after looking at the box score of the Oak-Ten game. Oakland wins the game by 10 on the road. Carr was 22/32 for 262, 8.2 average, 2 TDs and no ints in a road win. Mariota was 25/41 for 256, 6.2 average, no TDs, no ints in a home loss. Carr's qbr was 55.6 and Mariota's was 74.4. There's not a single reason you can't point to that suggests Mariota was better and no one would prefer the outcome of Matiota over Carr. An index, which is what this is, is only valid if it measures what matters. ESPN refuses to explain the variables it uses in qbr and obviously it sucks as a measure of a qbr game. Its garbage and no one other than espn uses it our should use it.

I still think TT sucks and I thought the D was legit after game 1. But aril think they're a sub 8 win team with TT. The run game has been shut down and TT can't and won't win games by himself.

Frauds like Drumpf. All talk, no substance. Typical entitled, whiny, spoiled second generation living off the reputation and careers of their father. Screw em.

It's a process and a signal. The process entails starting to separate the wheat from the chaff. That means you try to get as much good while disposing of as much bad as possible. You can never get rid of all the bad in one swing. The more important point is the signal. When you start cutting the dead weight off, those who may be minor issues will turn it around of get gone. The serious offenders, get removed, unless they have monster contacts (See: the fat car racer). In a room of 53, like an office, you'll always have a few trouble sports. The points is the process and the signal is about reducing that number to as manageable a number as possible so as not to be overrun by them. I try to recycle 100% of the time, but I can't 100% of the time. So does that means I'm not true to my word or beliefs or does it indicate I do the best I can within context?

Intelligence. Pure and simple. I'd bet a year's salary that Tyrod lacks the intelligence to scan the defense, diagnose the offensive play called vs the defensive alignment, and then make an adequate adjustment. I'll beat this drum until I'm dead and gone but brains at the QB position are more important that raw physical skills. It is an analytical position requiring and analytical mind. This isn't a RB, see hole, run through hole. I brought this up with fellow fans this weekend and the consensus is this guy is limited by intellect. I'm not saying he's dumb, I'm saying his intelligence and the way he sees and reads things doesn't work for him as a QB. Some people are good at math right? And some people are good at math and athletic. And some people suck at math and are athletic. Just because I guy can run and throw a football does not make him smart. That doesn't even include personality, the third leg on the three legged stool. Intelligence and/or athletics minus drive, will, grit, and motivation is useless. Dareus with Ray Lewis' hatred of losing is a perennial pro bowler, all pro, and HOFer. Absent that, he's a useless pile of wasted physical talent. And don't start with the "you don't know his upbringing" because that's an excuse but it's also a mistake to draft a guy like that if you have a single question about his drive and motivation, or drug use for that matter. This is the problem with the NFL talent evaluation system. There's still too many Buddy Nix types out there with a stiffy for physical talent and that's why BB wins. I'll keep saying it, but Kraft said it live on TV during training camp, they don't draft dummies. And it's clear they don't draft lazy malcontents and underachievers. Was the last QB allowed to audible Fitzpatrick? Not sure, didn't read this entire thread. But that would make sense.

Will TBN ever be relevant again? What actual qualifications do your reporters have to cover athletics? Was there a Football or Hockey 101 at Syracuse or did they just like sports so that's what they chose? Did any of them play the sports they cover, or are the qualifications simply a journalism degree, mediocre grasp of the English language, and healthy doses of self-importance that can translate to hot takes all that's needed? Do reporters in the press box feel inferior when they cover home games against teams from real media markets where more than one paper exists, like Boston, New York, Chicago, LA, etc? And do they feel better about themselves if seated next to the guy from the Niagara Gazette? How poorly has your readership declined, and as a follow up, has anyone wondered if there is a correlation between bad journalism and readership decline? Do you ever intent to hire someone who will report stories without snark, opinion, innuendo, and self-righteousness? You do know you cover games, right, games? Did the editorial board ever consider covering local politicians with the fervor and aggressiveness it covers the Bills and Sabres? (That would get me to buy) Lastly, has the News ever covered a public event that wasn't white people conspicuously consuming something like a new craft brewery opening, some all white band, some ironic hipster spectacular like roller derby, etc? That is all. I await responses.

Define "overrated" and then provide citations and examples of that overhype, like rankings from prominent evaluators of talent and respected journalists (oxymoron, my bad). What is he rated and in your expert opinion, where should be be rated/ranked. This is the classic post where someone doesn't like a guy because he's obnoxious (dabbing) and is roundly celebrated and just beat your team. That doesn't make him overrated, neither do any of the flimsy arguments you made, especially absent a quantification of his current status and a well-developed rebuke citing your own quantitative scale. If that career with a winning record, MVP, and Super Bowl trip makes him overrated, no QB this team ever drafts will make you happy. Is he super accurate a la Drew Brees, nope. Has he won a ton of games, plays well in crunch time (unlike TT who couldn't come back against UB down 3 if he started at the 50), has a decent TD to INT ratio and Y/A. Maybe, just maybe you don't know feces about QB evaluation.

Regression is coming the next two weeks. Denver's offense looks potent with a QB who gets rid of the ball and Matt Ryan is surrounded by fast weapons.

It is a value proposition and you can harp on the point about people wanting their content for free. There is an entire subset that feels entitled to free content. However, you and those that live here are pro-media, apparently because it helps your model, which makes your argument full of its own biases. All my warning points are for criticizing garbage media. You censure posters when they challenge John Warlow. But you're making a massive leap in logic, and that's that the Buffalo News sports reporters have value to everyone and we should all buy it. That's a false assumption and massive hole in your logic. I'm not one to complain about the idea of a paywall, but when I make a value proposition (your words) there's no value for me in supporting bad journalism. Giving the news $3 month for substandard snark and opinion that would keep Sullivan employed ain't happening. Dunne was good and worthy, the rest are tired and played out and I didn't read for free. And I'm not alone. It's a market outside the top 50 in the US, so what does that mean for talent? It's means it's limited on a good day, non existent on most. This is capitalism, the weak die off and the print media's days are numbered because they waited too long to develop a better model and now they cry about it.

If you're crying over football, your priorities are out of order. Not even as a child did I cry. Anger, sure. Sadness and despair, hell no. Crying is in the same line of lameness as an adult wearing the name of another adult on his back. Never owned a jersey and never cried. If I did either, hopefully someone would shoot me.

Nope. If they beat the Panthers, then you can be tired of it and it'll go away, justifying the hand wringing and pontificating here about why the team generally considered a competitive joke should be consider more than that and this win should be elevated to amazing status.