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Mike Jurecki @mikejurecki 11m
BREAKING: I've been told #Cardinals LB Daryl Washington will miss the ENTIRE 2014 season. Spoke with a player who confirmed the news.
i was laughed off this board for making a thread about how playing the hall of fame game (a fifth preseason game) worries me immensely as a bills fan. things like this are the reasons why.
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i completely understand it. And I would probably do the same in his position.
But what it comes down to is this, football (or any sport for that matter) has no inherent value at all. It is simply entertainment. And in the case of the the NFL in the US, an amazingly profitable form of entertainment. Limiting press access, while undoubtedly a good thing regarding football itself, would seem counterproductive when considering press coverage equals free advertising.
yes, but you can flip that on its head as well.
the browns limiting access to their rookie minicamp is now a story.. is this story bigger than if there was some footage of manziel throwing 20 passes with the headline "browns open camp to rookies"? i think it is. they are the villains now, for better or worse, with mystery surrounding them and their gun slinging quarterback.
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Thank you.
This has been covered so many times and is not that complicated. This is why we keep playing the Browns every year b/c we continuously keep finishing 4th in our division.
couldnt agree more.
if you're a big enough fan of professional football that you post on a message board, i think you should have some degree of understanding as to how the league is structured.
it makes me scratch my head. are there people out there that are miffed that we "have to play the patriots 2x a year"?
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How many years in a row have the Bills played the Chiefs? I still don't understand how that can happen.
i dont understand how, 12 years in, there are still people who don't understand how the nfl schedule works.
you play:
4 games against a division from the opposing conference (the nfc north for us this year)
4 games against a division within your conference (the afc west for us this year)
6 games (home and away) against your own division
and the remaining 2 games are played against the teams in your conference who finished in the same place as you in their division the season before, (so both 4th place teams not in the afc west this year)
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When you say in your OP, "hate all you want, close it" that should be a clue not to pull the trigger and post.
These are threads that are just kind of embarrassing to everyone associated with the board. It just might be the OP joking around, but it's unclear if that is the case and, in any event, it's not really a funny joke, as far as I can decipher it.
its not a joke.
in fact, i think the only "joke" in this thread is you sitting in some dingy room and acting a moral authority on the internet. but, thats for another day.
how is a mans sexuality any different than his wingspan, his vertical, or his 40 yard dash time?
i tried to shield myself from the inevitable backlash that was sure to follow, because this site is run like george orwell's vision of 1984. the thought police are here to tell me that i'm a bad person because i've heard buddy nix is gay and by six degrees of separation, i think it could lead to us drafting michael sam. in the 7th round. if it happens, then what?
Not funny. I'm absolutely fine with Sam being picked in the seventh, but it has absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality and everything to do with his ability to provide depth at DE. Those who find it funny to continue to post in such an obviously immature (and truthfully, offensive) manner should be removed from the board. Grow up.
and this one, who finds it OFFENSIVE?!?!
really? you're literally offended by this thread?
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What is this based on:
Word around town was always that Buddy Nix was a little
He hand picked Whaley, who at times strikes me as a bird of similar feathers.
I have a hunch our GM is going to bring Sam in, to take pride in being the first NFL organization with an openly gay player.
Hate all you want, close it if you want, it's just a prediction...
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The thing of it is this:
The Bills now have phenomenal talent across the board. The question is QB play.
So, if EJ is absolutely horrendous this year, we're going to need a qb next year anyways, right? Well, with that being said, drafting a qb wouldnt be the answer: that would point towards another full rebuild, with a team that's built to win NOW. So the Bills would be forced to bring in a veteran qb anyways at that point--and that would be the one hole they would have to fill... so using a first round pick (even if that pick is number 1 over all) wouldn't do us much good, because by the time THAT qb developed, there would be glaring holes all over the roster again (mario, kyle, wideout, running back, etc.)
We're in win now mode, make no mistake. If EJ doesn't pan out, we bring in a qb with experience next year and ask him to step up. a top 5 pick wouldnt put us over the hump next year, we NEED ej to put us over the hump NOW.
I really can't articulate what I'm trying to get across philosophically but i hope it makes sense.
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I don't get why so many jocks get married so young. Many don't even make it out of college.
Come on man, live a little. Have some fun.
this.
derek jeter should be a bachelor consultant when he retires--teach these young bucks how to excel on the field and in the social world of a professional athlete. that guys got a penthouse at trump towers and has nailed every starlet that flashes across our tv screens.
and this is coming from a married man.
but guess what? i wasnt married at 20, and if i was worth 20 million at 20, i wouldnt be married today lol
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This is all so typical Buffalo Bills TBD fans. One of our best guys (Pro Bowl no less) gets in trouble for the first time in his 3 year career. So we want to run him out of town.
What do other teams do with guys like this?
The Seahawks extended Beast Mode while he has a DUI pending in CA. They extended Richard Sherman who failed a PED test but luckily had a hole in his pee cup
. TBD would have run both these guys out of town.Lighten up. Give the kid a chance. He is one of our best players too by the way.
exactly.
its f*cking weed. who cares if he likes to get high. he's an excellent player in the league.
alcohol has ruined far more lives than that plant--not to say marijuana doesn't have negative side effects... but just because something is "illegal" doesn't mean that it's immoral.
marrone wants him to stop getting high just like he wants 99% of the team to do something different and/or better than theyre doing.
i mean, honestly, aside from fred jackson, can you think of a single bill you wouldnt want to do something better on the field? and that's not even including everything that they do in their private lives.
the bills probably wanted dareus to stop getting high so he wouldnt fail a league-mandated drug test, not because they are the moral authorities in his life.
now, if you want to talk about him being an idiot for being caught, go right ahead. but people saying "cant believe we just locked him up!"
god. get over yourself.
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Do you know who Joe DeLamielleure is? He's the person who said that. Look him up.
Rodak is leaps and bounds better than Walker was, and I'd like to know exactly what he said wrong in that article because it's the truth. To be honest, you sound like a little kid with a personal vendetta because a writer for our team lives in a rival's city.
(Jack Nicholson voice)
If you can't handle the truth, then I suggest Chris Brown over at Buffalobills.com. He'll pat you on the head and whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and he'll tell you what a great fan you are and that everything is going to be alright.
Oh come on man. Mike Rodak goes out and interviews Marv Levy, Andre Reed, and Joe Who?
Pat yourself on the back if you knew who Joe DeLamielleure was before reading that article. From the way you spelled his name perfectly, I'm guessing you googled it just like every other non-virgin in the world would have to.
So out of those 3 Bills icons giving quotes, Rodak goes with the least well known player, and uses a quote that is basically summed up as
"buffalo is like cleveland, so if the bills leave, maybe buffalo will get another team some day."
No quote from Andre Reed about his 25 years in Buffalo?
No quote from Marv about the Ralph selling out?
Just a random quote from a random fluff piece about the Bills leaving Buffalo.
Why was the piece even written? Why was it snipped down to that 20 second sound bite?
It's like the guy went out of his way to create a story, then manipulate the general gist of the information given to him, and present it for a 20 second sound bite on espn to talk even more about the Bills leaving Buffalo.
and youre cool with that???
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Say what you want about Tim Graham, but at least he's got the best interest of the Bills at heart.
This Rodak kid is GREEN, and has absolutely no respect for the franchise that is the Buffalo Bills.
Now after lurking here for close to a decade, I am well aware of the tremendous amount of self loathing that takes place on this board, so if you're scrolling down to the quick reply box to type "we'll get respect when we earn it," save your fingers the time of typing it out. I get it. The Bills are bad--in the middle of a terrible slump right now--and save for a great run in the 90s, since the AFL/NFL merger have been a pretty middle of the road franchise.
But, at the end of the day, we're talking about a historic franchise. An original AFL team. And a team that is a part of the fabric of the league. We do sell out games. We do put eyes on the tv when were playing in prime time. We do have a national following.
Now look:
I live in New England. I know this Rodak kid... I've never met him, but I know him. He's some smug, late 20's-early 30's Patriots fan (not beat writer, fan). He didn't grow up playing football. He didn't even grow up watching football. He's just like every other kid his age in the Boston region: I'd be willing to bet that the first (Brady) Patriots Super Bowl was the first football game he ever watched from coin toss to post game.
Why does this matter? Because he's apparently been appointed as the sole gate keeper for news coming out of the AFC East by ESPN. Why does that matter? ("Just don't watch ESPN, I don't") It matters because every single person in the country gets their sports news from ESPN. Every non-Bills fan, that is also a football fan, is going to get 99.9% of their Bills news from ESPN.com.
And THAT'S important because this hack Rodak doesn't do his due diligence in his reporting, and acts as if he better throw a bone to Buffalo fans to keep them happy in between talking about Brady's pants or Gronk's amazing, wolverine-like ability to recover from injury.
http://espn.go.com/n...in-buffalo-area
His latest video, referring to comments that "even if the Bills leave Buffalo, a team will probably come back" made earlier this week are taken somewhat out of context, and with all of the news that's been delivered this week regarding potential owners dining with Brandon, our lease being essentially iron clad, the ground swell of support from former Bills lobbying to keep the team here, Jimbo meeting with potential ownership groups, and a sale fast tracked for (possibly) July, this guy presents it in 20 seconds as if
"Well, hey, some people think that when the Bills leave, they might get another team someday."
I mean, honestly, you report on a division. There are four teams. Google "(AFC east team) forum" and you can find a forum for the Bills, Jets, Dolphins and Patriots. Check those all day, follow your leads, and give a balanced report of what's going on in our division.
Sorry to go off on this right before the draft, in something that will (likely) quickly drop off the front page, but it bothers me that the biggest sports media agency in the world has such a wet-behind-the-ears, hack of a journalist assigned to "cover" us. I get that we're not glamorous, and I get that the Pats own the division, but if ESPN wants to pretend that they have some "blogger" thats going to go deep and cover the teams in the division, they owe us more than 20 seconds of off hand comments about whats going to happen if the Bills leave.
F*ck him and the company he works for.
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As I was watching yet another NFL draft preview show, a thought occurred to me.
For the first time since Bledsoe was quarterbacking this offense, I feel relatively certain that the Buffalo Bills are going to make the playoffs this season.
I (personally) saw enough from EJ last year to think that not only can he succeed if he stays healthy, but him not staying healthy this previous year was due to bad luck.
The defense was stout, the kicking was solid, and offensively they looked like a young team loaded with weapons.
To me, this year, anything less than 9-7 would be an abject failure, and would absolutely shock me.
Hell, even the schedule is balanced and fair compared to years past.
But yet, I can't help but feeling that the majority of Bills fans thinks the team finishes 7-9 or worse this year. Why is that?
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Brady is the man. No denying this
seriously.
i cant stand the pats, and think their super bowls should be vacated for cheating.
but that man. its sad to think that if he was the bills qb for the past 12 years, we might have won a super bowl or 2, be playing in a new stadium, own the division, be the lead on sportscenter every night during football season, have 6-8 prime time games a year, AND be talked about as a model organization by "glamour" outlets like tmz, people, us, etc... and still be able to withstand bad pr like, say, our players murdering people, or cheating to win championships.
guy could show up to the kentucky derby with blinders and a saddle on, but hes still the coolest guy in the room, and id discretely grab my wife by the arm and make a quick exit before he could introduce himself.
#respectthegod
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This is where it gets scary for fans. You have to trust the front office of the Bills entirely. If they feel they are one player away, on either side of the ball, from winning the division, then you go for it. It's not about "winning the super bowl," per se, it's more about just making it to the playoffs and hoping the team you built gets hot and wins 3-4 games in a row--but that process starts by beating the Patriots and winning at least the 4 seed in the AFC.
I don't know if the Bills are 1 player away, but I work in a different field than NFL talent analysis. In fact, I don't watch enough college football to have an opinion on more than 1 or 2 players--a position which I'm guessing (if we're being honest) 99% of football fans fall into. I watch the Bills for enjoyment. With that in mind, the further the Bills trade up, the more enjoyable this draft is going to be for me.
Move up to one and bring JFF to buffalo--why not?
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Why is he a former first round pick? It never makes sense how they label it. He is still a first round pick, or was. And that doesn't change.
ill let you take it from here.
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The fantasy football people I know have their tablet/laptop next to them while they watch a game. The get their fantasy info online in one concise place and watch whatever game they are interested in. The networks are catering to games that give them the best ratings. Best teams/games equals best ratings. Simple. When the Bills and other AFC teams stop sucking you will see them in prime time as well. As with everything else in the NFL, show me the money baby.
The NFL puts what sells in Prime Time. Face it, ratings speak a lot louder than some disappointed fans on a message board.
Exactly, this is such a useless discussion. We are now analyzing the percentages of AFC / NFC matchups on primetime. Seriously. I wish my life so free of obilgations that I can worry about things like this. I'm looking forward to the season, I really won't give the schedule a second thought except- who do we play next week?
It's not really very interesting. Better matchups, more high profile teams for better ratings. It's just like Yankees / Red Sox always on ESPN - it's what the majority of viewers want to watch - viewers = $$$$. It's really quite simple.
I don't see how comparing the number of times the NFC as opposed to the AFC is featured in primetime is meaningless or a waste of time.
There are shows, pod casts, radio programs, articles, and message board posts that analyze the NFL schedule from the perspective of "the common Bills fan": is our schedule front loaded? back loaded? warm teams playing here too early? cold teams playing here too late? how many wins? when do we need 9 wins by? how much rest do our opponents have? how much rest do we have? when's the bye week? and on and on and on. But the key thing about those questions: they don't affect whether or not our eyes will be on the screen watching the games (and more importantly, from the NFL's perspective: the commercials).
But who's playing in primetime is an important question, and it let's me shape my plans for viewership 5-6 months out.
For the first time since the AFL-NFL merger, there won't be an AFC team playing on Thanksgiving. Also, on a somewhat related note, for the first time in my life, I won't be watching a football game on Thanksgiving.
How about opening night? Seahawks/Packers? How does that impact the Bills at all? It doesn't, so I won't be watching. I'll be getting 8 hours of sleep ahead of my work day on friday.
Let's dig deeper:
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2014/01/15/buffalo-no-11-in-nfl-tv-ratings.html
8 of the top 11 rated teams (in terms of tv viewership) are American Football Conference teams... including the Buffalo Bills!
If the NFL schedule makers truly followed TV ratings, you would think they would look at the list of teams and their comparative television viewership statistics. Shouldn't the primetime split be 60/40 in favor of the AFC, as opposed to the NFC?
It's not a conspiracy against the Bills, or anything conscious that the schedule makers did. It's just that idiot Goodell giving his stamp of approval to a clearly flawed slate of games that swings way too heavily in favor of one conference (which, coincidently, is the conference with lower tv viewership ratings.)
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6 NFC teams on Thanksgiving is simply an indictment of Bills and Dolphins and NFL's desire to make T-Day games more appealing --- in the end, we can complain about not having prime time exposure or we can win some freaking games and earn our right to be on SNF, MNF or T-Day ! Just look at some of the teams on MNF instead of us, Detroit, Arizona, Washington, St Louis, Houston and Tennessee -- hardly murderous row of top notch teams, BUT, networks believe they are better national draws than Bills -- again, WINNING will get you exposure
To me, what's frustrating about the schedule is what I've bolded above, more-so than any quirk of schedule as it relates to our pathetic franchise.
As it stands now, I ran the numbers and NFC teams constitute 57% of prime time matchups (this is before flex scheduling). They are represented 60 times in prime time, to the AFC's 46.
I think I posted in this thread last night (I was kind of buzzed, so excuse me if this is beating a dead horse), but the NFL can't forget the fans of teams in it's desire to cater to fantasy football tools. An NFC-NFC matchup is of absolutely no relevance to me. There is no reason why both conferences can't be represented an equal amount in prime time. I don't need to see every NFC west matchup this season: it's not the conference I follow, and it's on the other side of the country.
I've said it for awhile now and I truly believe it: all prime time games should be inter-conference matchups. I would stay up late watching a Chargers-Cowboys game, because it would directly impact the playoff chances for the Buffalo Bills. I would hope I'm not the only person in the country that feels this way, but who knows.
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Bills 'continuing to discuss' website gaffe - BN Blitz - The Buffalo News http://bills.buffalo...gaffe/ … via @thebuffalonews
OH MY GOD... someone made a mistake. enough already.
im just thankful marrone is in (apparently) good health. does the buffalo news really need to get to the bottom of how the story accidentally made it to the website early?
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All of this in the last 48 hours.
- Bills come to terms on an excessive texting lawsuit
- The Jills sue the Bills for not paying minimum wage
- Bills post a story on their website about Marrone having cancer and took most of the day to clarify.
This organization is a joke, the Bills continue to show up in the national media for nothing positive. Heads need to roll, I am afraid Brandon has his own best interests in mind and not what is best for the Buffalo community.
3 things/3 scenarios.
If you're a bills FAN, and you don't post on this message board (99% of Bills fans,) you would have no idea about any of this, aside from the fact that Marrone got a cancerous mole removed (maybe).
If you're a bills fan and you DO post on this message board, you still might have missed the Marrone story breaking early/by accident, and found the other threads too boring to read/care about even in the offseason.
If you're NOT a Bills fan, you won't hear about ANY of this unless something scrolls across the feed on the nfl network saying marrone had a mole removed, at which point you would probably think, "those poor Bills."
PR nightmare? Hardly.
The Cowboys just had to endure about 2 weeks of rehashing history as to why Jones fired Jimmy Johnson, and how that personel move could have changed the history of the league, followed by Jones saying tv ratings are more important than wins and getting lambasted by the press.
The Bills aren't a PR nightmare, their fans are just more sensitive than my wife.
- Bills come to terms on an excessive texting lawsuit
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I'm gonna black out at the home opener no matter what jersey they wear
lmao!!
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The debate about Schumer's power, and anti-trust status of the NFL, is some of the best posting I've seen on here in awhile. National writers looking to cover every angle of this sale would be wise to comb through Bills message boards for talking points for their articles, because there is some really fantastic analysis on here that you really don't get anywhere else.
I can't add much, but I would tend to think that Schumer's power doesn't come in such a literal sense in that he would be able to attack the stability of the league from a legal standpoint, but he wields power more in his ability to shape the national conversation. If you had a scale whereby a statment from the President of the United States was a 10, and an op-ed piece from Jerry Sullivan was a 1... a comment from Schumer would be 5 or a 6. Hypothetically, him saying at a press conference that "the Bills leaving Buffalo would be a terrible, terrible loss" could end up on the national evening news. It could make the casual to non casual fan take notice. It could make the paper, or the front page of ESPN.
To the NFL, the all-mighty dollar is ALWAYS king. But that works 2 ways, and the owners know that.
Bottom line: let me walk you through a scenario which the NFL owners would dread to the center of their souls, that shows the kind of power Schumer has in his words alone.
1) The Bills are sold to an owner with out of town ties, either an LA business tycoon, or Bon Jovi
2) Bills nation is angry, knows the team is gone in 6 years (when the lease is up)
3) (and this is the part that scares the hell out of the league) Bills fans have SIX years to make noise about the issue. Schumer references it on the senate floor. Obama is asked to comment on it. Schumer turns it into a "I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen to the fans of Buffalo" commercial. HE CAMPAIGNS ON IT. Suddenly, this move looks like it's hurting the league. Suddenly there's a story every night on sportscenter about the fate of the Bills in 6 years, how pissed off their fans are, what's happening from the politicians to help.
4) Heaven forbid the Bills make the playoffs in this stretch. Or.. WIN THE SUPER BOWL (stranger things have happened). Now, during the league's prominent, center-stage event, the commissioner has to answer questions about how a super bowl winning team could be allowed to relocate. (now look, some witty comedians on here are going to jump to the comments and say "you lost me at the Bills winning the Super Bowl." I get that it's unlikely. That's not the point. The point is it's a theoretical possibility at some point over the next 6 years.)
That lease is more than it's 400 million termination fee. It's a guarnatee that the NFL will have to endure SIX SEASONS of bad press if the Bills are sold to an out of town owner. No, not smear campaign bad press. But just like the concussion story, there will be a bad taste associated with the league when they are brought up on non-sports programs, if it's because a US senator is speaking out about one of their teams relocating.
The reason why Goodell acted so quick on the concussion issues is to make the bad press go away. The owners had to pay for that too, so it's not about "losing" money in a short term deal, it's about avoiding bad press. Good press = the league keeps growing. Bad press = less chance for expansion, less chance for money.
Gotta spend money to make money, league will ultimately take a hit to keep the Bills in Buffalo.
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I'm already sick of talking about who is going to take over ownership of this team.
I've said this once, I've said this twice, I've said this a hundred thousand times over the last 15 years, but here it is again:
If the Bills left Buffalo tomorrow morning, there would be a line of teams 10-15 deep to move to Buffalo tomorrow night.
11th highest tv ratings in the league after 15 years of absolutely mind numbing, pathetic football. Literally running 53 men out onto that field, so long as theyre wearing Bills jerseys, guarantees you will be one of the most popular franchises in the sport.
And you think tarp city (Jacksonville) is going to sit down there with their 15,000 fans, while the Ralph sits empty and millions of (former) Bills fans curse Bon Jovi for moving the team to Toron... god this sentence, this IDEA, is so f*cking ridiculous I'm not even going to finish it im going to get dinner.
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My God does he look like a goober. And talk about pencil legs.
who looks like more of a goober.
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+1
Someone else will come out of the woodwork as being the "front runners" next week. And this is the way it'll work, until they are sold. Tim falls to mention that his take on Bon Jovi first acquiring the team and then moving them, is his opinion.
Or, it's click bait, which is about as responsible as a lot of journalism is these days.
Exactly. I normally do not fall for this, preferring to avoid TG's articles, but did click on this one to see what the debate on this thread was about. I feel dirtier for it.
And I would like to add to that:
Absolutely nothing has come out, "officially", from anyone, ever, stating that they plan to buy and move the Bills. Ever.
While, conversely, many many many parties have stated that the Bills will remain, and stay viable in, Western New York.
There are other facts, too, that if you want to deal in conjectures, point strongly to the Bills never leaving western New York: as was posted on the Bills ap last week, the Bills are the 11th highest rated team, in terms of tv viewership, in the league.
That means that the Bills draw more eyes than 21 other professional football teams. After a decade and a half of absolutely terrible football. Now, with Ralph's passing, you can see there are no more self-imposed restrictions on when we can play our games... so you see Bills Lions (in primetime), Bills Packers (in primetime) Bills Jets (in primetime) and maybe more... It is not a coincidence that this change in the scheduling is following Ralph's death. He didn't want us in primetime, and so, we never were. But now with him not in the picture, the league is doing what it can to maximize it's profits: and that means putting essentially a top-10 team (in terms of marketability) in the spotlight more often.
And why wouldn't the Bills have a devoted following?
We are an original AFL team. We are part of the history of the game. We went to four straight super bowls. You can write the history of the NFL without teams like the jaguars, the panthers, the texans... hell maybe even the chargers, the falcons or the bucs...
But you couldn't tell the story of the league without the team buffalo put on the field for the late 80s and early 90s.
So if you think Goodell is going to be the commissioner who pisses away one of the biggest fan bases, one of the biggest commercial draws, a defining team in his league... to a glam rocker from the 80s who wants to uproot the team and skip town before Ralph is even under ground?
Never going to happen.
In 2000, if Bills take Brady instead of Leif Olve Dolonen Larsen ....
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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and that system, in this case, was illegal, against league rules, and resulted in the biggest penalty in the history of professional football.
but let's all bury our heads in the sand and pretend spygate didn't happen, because hey, espn doesn't talk about it anymore, and EVERYONE was doing it, right? "if only the bills could cheat that good!" amirite?
this thread should be made about rothlisberger (2 champtionships without cheating) or eli (2 championships without cheating).
i hate the way this board bigs up brady.
i live in new england. i would say 25-33 percent of patriots fans are ready to move on from the guy. yes. that's a true statement. most feet he holds the team back because he can't throw deep, doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make all the throws, and his best years are behind him.
by far FAR and away the biggest support/admiration/exultation of brady that i see in my day-to-day life comes from this board, and this board alone.
get over it.