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MN is the only one with a QB not on a rookie deal or taking a massive discount. When Brady won his cap hit was high (the next year was $10M), but Evans and and Godwin were the 27th and 59th paid WR at the time. The rest of those teams have QB’s not getting paid. In the same year Diggs was 8th and John Brown was 22nd. Im not saying the Bills shouldn’t be upgrading their WR corp. They should. And they should do it through the draft, even high, that’s fine. We need depth players too., grab more late. But if fans(not necessarily you) really believe that either we need to spend Keenan Allen money and/or a healthy Keenan Allen isn’t actually good enough to be on this roster behind Diggs, we don’t actually have a WR problem. We have a QB/QB contract value problem.

We often force the ball to Diggs and look over open receivers in order to get him the ball, coverage be damned. Diggs is the 4th most targeted WR in the league. Justin Jefferson had the 11th most targets in league history this season. Cousins throws the ball in his direction about 1.5 more times per game than Allen to Diggs. JJ had a historical season for targets and Diggs is right behind him. Nobody is taking targets from Diggs. Diggs whining about it and us even entertaining it are wild.

I think that there’s a little bit of a storm brewing in Buffalo right now. If McBeane aren’t careful they could lose the roster and we’re starting all over with basically Josh Allen and nobody else. Between Diggs outburst and the fact that JB is reporting that Allen doesn’t like his OL, but hand picked his OC, if they string together a couple bad games early this whole thing could come off the tracks pretty quickly.

If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did.

Purdy isn’t available until 2026.

There is no 5th year. It’s extend or let walk. Only first round picks get the option. I think they re-sign.

It has been forever since I went through this topic. But I am fairly certain that Brady led Pats have a better W/L vs. the rest of the NFL than they do vs. the AFCE. How on earth would Brady have ever gotten by otherwise?

Just as a percentage of cap, his highest year with the Pats was about 17%. Which is Josh's "onboarding" year into his big deal, and relatively low. A lot of years Brady gave the team another 10% of the entire cap back. That's right. 10% of the entire salary cap, not his pay cut. That would be $22.5M per year in today's terms. I don't fault Josh's money, or any QB/player. You get one shot to set your family up to have generational wealth. You have to take it. What Brady did was remarkable. His last year or two TB is what you get when you have to pay a top flight QB top flight money. His discount is a very important piece to his story.

There were years where Eli was making $10-12M more than Brady and the cap was $120M. Could you imagine the impact of Josh giving up $20M per year right now? In Brady's highest paid years he took about as much cap space as Josh will for 2023 which is 17%. In a lot of years he is in the 5-10% range which is wildly low for the production compared to todays QB's. It is certainly a complicated answer, but I wouldn't discount this.

Unsure of Gabes ability here. We just never seem to use him here. Chicken and egg, I won’t take a stand one way or the other. But I am tempted to agree with you. I do think Shakir has a knack for it. In the limited snaps he got, he seems to be very QB friendly. Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought Hodgins flashed here too in camp. It clearly translated to live game speed. I am put 99% of the Shakir/Hodgins issue on McBeane. But given Josh’s ask for Brown, Beasley, Dorsey, and Barkley, I have something nagging that there may be “some” culpability on the QB. But that may just be my frustrations from the season talking still.

It’s not stat padding, it’s keeping drives alive and making defenses pay for making certain decisions. It is a very real, regular, and necessary part of playing the QB position.

The QB asked for Dorsey and Barkley too. There is certainly a grey area between taking your QB's wishes into consideration and granting him everything. The offense was high scoring and had a lot of chunk plays to it. But it was certainly not methodical. I thought Allen's request for those guys was more an attempt for him to get his groove back and less a condemnation on the guys in house.

I haven’t had the time to go through Warners breakdown. At scale, I totally agree with you. 2 weeks is conservative for how long some have been pounding the table. But from what I watched on A22 this year the Bengals game was one of Allens less egregious games this season. The Divisional was a full system failure from FO to OC, OL, QB, and WR.

I mean, he’s a 9 handicap. He’s an impressive golfer. But 9 isn’t pro.

I am really frustrated with Beane and have been for a few seasons now. But Christ, if the Pegula run Sabres have taught us anything it’s that things can always get worse. I give Beane an opportunity to figure it out before moving on. That is if the staff makes it through this season without the roster imploding, which I think is non-zero chance unfortunately.

That’s absolutely insane. I should have looked further. To my point, the one team that did do it was totally flawed this year. It would be wildly irresponsible to pay a QB top 5 money and have 2 top paid receivers. You can’t build an OL, run game, or defense with that kind of spending.

No NFL team has two expensive WR and QB under their big contract. TB sorta comes close but Brady’s cap hit was $12M this year and he is now off the books. If the Bengals can’t make it work with $100M in space, then there’s no way the Bills can.

I mean there are 1-2 games last year, 2-3 games this year. That is what, 6 or 7 total we are leaning on? Also, the Patriots and Chiefs generally rely on man coverage as much or more than any team in the league. I am not discounting him being able to get better at it, but in the 77 games he has played, those 7 games are more of an outlier, or work in progress, than anything else. To my point, Josh is capable of making big plays out of nothing, decision making is an issue and a big part of that is reading defenses. Josh is bottom 5 against zone coverage. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/josh-allen/ Worth also noting that with all of the issues we have had with the OL. Allen's pocket time is in the top 10, his pressured % is in the top 10 (as in good), but he scrambles more than anybody not named Justin Fields. That is not a get out of jail free card for the OL. They certainly get punched in the face, but they aren't being given many favors either. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.htm

Just via the eye test Josh Allen makes these insane throws that nobody else can make, but the general function of the offense looks so much harder than other QB's. Even under Daboll. Hell, before this NYG season this board was split on whether BD should be fired or promoted to HC instead of McD. Josh has really struggled against zone for a good portion of his NFL career. Beasley helped, early but it is not something he has ever been super good at. He is a freak athlete and a smart guy, but I think his insane physiology covers up some deficiencies in processing time. His strong arm allows him to be late to throw and his big play ability allows him to not need to take what is given to him. It is all a blessing and a curse. The offense certainly has issues outside of QB play, but I think Allen makes it difficult on the OL and WR position at times too.

I don’t think “scheme” is the problem. It’s not so much a flawed defense as it is just flat out bad play calling.

Hamlin flashed. Johnson was a major liability. Both of them together was a huge problem for us. The Bills must believe they have starter quality depth in Hamlin/Johnson and coaching failed them? Otherwise I don't totally understand why we would move on.

Not to pile on, but Mahomes is the best contract in the game right now and it’s not close. Not upset with Allen’s deal at all. But I don’t think the GM deserves an attaboy for Allen’s current deal.

It’s been flirted with before, but if there was going to be a time for the QB to start to become less important it is likely right around the corner. We’ve seen Kyle Shanahan get huge production out of the likes of 3 different third stringers. McVay has gotten SB production out of Goff and Stafford, plus Baker off the streets. Then McDaniels with Tua. It’s not a coincidence they’re from the same coaching tree. But there is a serious trend.

I am certainly not pounding the table for Zay Jones, and he isn’t on my list of FO misses. But it think it’s worth noting that he has never been as close to being as bad as he was in Buffalo at any other stops. Even when traded in season his catch percentage jumped from 38% to 74%.

Brees was either a system QB or Payton wildly under performed. I don’t think both can be great. He has to turn Russ into Brees or that franchise is toast for the foreseeable future.