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Can one of the local cap gurus help me out. I was under the impression that restructuring Von would meaning extending what was essentially a 3 year deal and a bunch of team options. Because of that I thought the Von contract was untouchable. Or at least irresponsible to restructure for a 34 year old after a second ACL tear.

I can’t understand why it’s consistently common place for this board to refer to Davis is a WR3. WR3 is almost always referred to as the slot. Gabe Davis isn’t a slot receiver and is never going to be a slot receiver. He is not a WR3. If he isn’t starting on the outside he is WR4 at best. People saying Davis is a “perfect or better fit WR3” don’t make any sense. To the point of the thread. At some point we either need to start drafting a lot more players worth a second contract or signing our guys to second contracts. Not keeping/re-signing Davis will feel like I am bleeding out by 10000 paper cuts.

Welcome to TBD where your take is just as meaningless as mine.

Total conjecture, but I dislike this part. Could be total silly season and slow news. But I read this as, I am giving everything I have so I know I am not the problem. I will die on that hill. On one hand, thanks for the effort. On the other hand, I don't like it when anybody ever implies that they are not part of the team getting better. I read it as "I will die on the hill that I am not part of the problem". What a stupid hill to choose to die on.

Right, it is the building events, not a single moment. A couple of loud games. Turns into Cinci. That turns into storming out of the facility. Escalating to not coming back for locker clean out. That evolves to "this is a toxic work environment".

I don’t disagree with all of Diggs frustrations. I am disagreeing with the way he is managing them.

DaVante Adams and Derek Carr also make up “20%” of the leagues best throw and catches.

A few months ago I was in the “WR be WR” camp around Diggs and a couple of the sideline moments he had. Where I think we diverge here is his actions post game. I cannot separate his sideline moments from his bailing on his teammates. Then blaming it on “his competitiveness” which implies others failed him. Then not showing back up. Diggs knows the rumors around him and this team and has months to quiet them. Instead he chooses to troll. Which is much more in line with him being a wiener than it is him acting as some motivational speaker. I want Diggs here. But more than that I want him to want to be here. And I right now I don’t see that.

I’m not sure if you actually believe that Diggs yelling at Allen on the sideline in that Bengals game was words of encouragement like “we got these mother effers” or if you’re just willfully lying. Either way I have concerns.

The whole “he’s competitive” is such trash. Michael Phelps is the most decorated athlete of all time, does he scream at the relay team on the deck of the pool at the Olympics? Serena at Venus in a doubles match? Tiger his caddy? There are dozens, scratch that, hundreds and hundreds of people who have won multiple world championships in individual and team sports who don’t treat people like crap because “they are so so competitive”. Maybe win anything of any notoriety just once. Maybe twice. Before you start talking about how the on my option is to be a loser or an arse hat. It’s literal gaslighting.

He is definitely trolling here. I am pretty sure he is just talking about Edmunds/Poyer. But I am also confident he purposefully put that tweet out that way to stir everything up as well.

I will be keeping a very close eye on this thread to see if I can figure out which one of you is actually Eric Wood. Interesting that @Figster created his account just a year before Wood retired....hmmmm. @MrEpsYtown Also created a new account on December 29, 2017. 9 days before Eric Woods last game.

Did you play at UB? If you did you might have punched me in the face. My freshman year we came home from the bars at like 5am and outside of the dorms were a couple of guys asking if we wanted to play football. We were a pretty big athletic bunch, so were like “sure”. Then one little guy starts mouthing off that they played for UB and would kick our ass. I laugh because UB was like 1-11 the year before. They silently follow us to our down. Go get a bunch of other guys from the team, break in, and it turns into a total brawl. What a drunk mess. 18 year old drunk me didn’t realize that anybody asking to play football at 5am wasn’t actually asking to play football, and that maybe I should keep my smart ass shut. If it was you, I forgive you. But I am a little salty that you got away without even a slap on the wrist and we got community service.

Diggs does this a bit. Sometimes it’s real sometimes it’s not. He gets off on being a troll on occasion.

Diggs is a weird dude. I can support that. Good for him. But when it starts to make him a wonky teammate or cause a ruckus among the fans is where I have started drawing the line. You can't repeatedly undress your QB, HC, and/or OC on the sidelines. You can't bail on your team after a tough loss because you are such a "competitor", and you can't feed into the rumor mill about the security of the franchise that you play for. Part of my frustration and credence to some of the smoke is that these rumors aren't secret. A lot of people are talking about not just on Bills forums. Diggs has the opportunity to put all of this to bed and refuses. Wildly frustrating.

Vikings must be getting pretty excited.

And even with Brees/Peyton suck half of the time. The Saints are a good example on how if you think the cap doesn’t matter, you can sign a bunch of players, have a HoF coach and QB combo, and still be a .500 team about as often as you have a winning record.

Everything is just a little bit of this, and a little bit of that. There is nothing gigantically huge about anything. But I don't like that we keep getting needled by it. I don't like that whispers keep coming from his family (brother). And I don't like that Diggs has not spoken up about anything. I don't doubt Diggs would prefer to leave and that his contract is the hold up at this point. I doubt he does, it is an unaffordable contract to get rid of. I hope he can find a way to be a good soldier in the locker room.

Leaving aside each position group, better QB play likely wins the Jets both NE games, the first second Buffalo game, and the last Miami game. Flipping 4 division games changes a lot of things. There is a strong argument that a better QB also flips MIN and DET. But I am not sure I am willing to give them 6 more wins at this point.

I feel like Pat is a good dude, and I want to like him. …..but everybody he surrounds him with sucks. So what do I know….

I know a couple Olympic dietitians. It can be 2x that for revenue generating sports. But I totally agree with you. Especially given the size of an NFL team.

What do you mean?

Ah. I was thinking he was ‘17 for some reason.