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Reids great. He’s had some success with less. But Mahomes is a special talent. McNabb was a quality NFL QB and Reid never got this kind of production from the position.

Him and his brother sound like they grew up in two totally different homes.

I don’t want to commandeer the SB thread, but I’d highly suggest people spend the $10 per month for NFL+. There’s an assumption that Allen holds the ball forever because nobody is open and that simply isn’t the case all.

Hurts is also much more decisive tonight than Allen. That’s certainly part of it.

I like McDermott. I think he’s a pretty good coach. But sometimes good coaches lose rosters and I think McD is really toeing the line. If he stays long term he’ll have to pull the team back.

I don’t think the Bills want trade Diggs. They won’t look to do so proactively. I do think Diggs might ask for one or force his way out with more temper tantrums. At that point the Bills will be in a tough spot. He’ll likely need a restructure to get out.

I think what you’re talking about was this past 2022 season…except we didn’t win…

I think we should probably start with the fact that Saffold is a FA. So the entire premise is we sign and package him for a 2nd?

Frank Reich is gainfully employed again. The question is, is Lamar old enough for Frank to want him on the roster? I think the Ravens do see him as a top flight guy. But Lamar’s contract negotiations haven’t been easy. They’re will to pay him a ton of money to stay long term, but Lamar wants more.

I think the Bills have the potential to be a bad football team next year. Not 5 win bad. But 10-7 is a real possibility. When you enter the 2022 season as such league favorites only to fall so flat, with so little in the hopper in terms of quality rookies, and absolutely zero cap space; you’ve made a number of compounding mistakes. Once Josh became Josh the bar was raised. The Bills are in completion with the Chiefs and right now the Chiefs have down a much better job of navigating the cap, free agency, and the draft. It really isn’t close.

MN is the only one with a QB not on a rookie deal or taking a massive discount. When Brady won his cap hit was high (the next year was $10M), but Evans and and Godwin were the 27th and 59th paid WR at the time. The rest of those teams have QB’s not getting paid. In the same year Diggs was 8th and John Brown was 22nd. Im not saying the Bills shouldn’t be upgrading their WR corp. They should. And they should do it through the draft, even high, that’s fine. We need depth players too., grab more late. But if fans(not necessarily you) really believe that either we need to spend Keenan Allen money and/or a healthy Keenan Allen isn’t actually good enough to be on this roster behind Diggs, we don’t actually have a WR problem. We have a QB/QB contract value problem.

We often force the ball to Diggs and look over open receivers in order to get him the ball, coverage be damned. Diggs is the 4th most targeted WR in the league. Justin Jefferson had the 11th most targets in league history this season. Cousins throws the ball in his direction about 1.5 more times per game than Allen to Diggs. JJ had a historical season for targets and Diggs is right behind him. Nobody is taking targets from Diggs. Diggs whining about it and us even entertaining it are wild.

I think that there’s a little bit of a storm brewing in Buffalo right now. If McBeane aren’t careful they could lose the roster and we’re starting all over with basically Josh Allen and nobody else. Between Diggs outburst and the fact that JB is reporting that Allen doesn’t like his OL, but hand picked his OC, if they string together a couple bad games early this whole thing could come off the tracks pretty quickly.

If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did.

Purdy isn’t available until 2026.

There is no 5th year. It’s extend or let walk. Only first round picks get the option. I think they re-sign.

It has been forever since I went through this topic. But I am fairly certain that Brady led Pats have a better W/L vs. the rest of the NFL than they do vs. the AFCE. How on earth would Brady have ever gotten by otherwise?

Just as a percentage of cap, his highest year with the Pats was about 17%. Which is Josh's "onboarding" year into his big deal, and relatively low. A lot of years Brady gave the team another 10% of the entire cap back. That's right. 10% of the entire salary cap, not his pay cut. That would be $22.5M per year in today's terms. I don't fault Josh's money, or any QB/player. You get one shot to set your family up to have generational wealth. You have to take it. What Brady did was remarkable. His last year or two TB is what you get when you have to pay a top flight QB top flight money. His discount is a very important piece to his story.

There were years where Eli was making $10-12M more than Brady and the cap was $120M. Could you imagine the impact of Josh giving up $20M per year right now? In Brady's highest paid years he took about as much cap space as Josh will for 2023 which is 17%. In a lot of years he is in the 5-10% range which is wildly low for the production compared to todays QB's. It is certainly a complicated answer, but I wouldn't discount this.

Unsure of Gabes ability here. We just never seem to use him here. Chicken and egg, I won’t take a stand one way or the other. But I am tempted to agree with you. I do think Shakir has a knack for it. In the limited snaps he got, he seems to be very QB friendly. Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought Hodgins flashed here too in camp. It clearly translated to live game speed. I am put 99% of the Shakir/Hodgins issue on McBeane. But given Josh’s ask for Brown, Beasley, Dorsey, and Barkley, I have something nagging that there may be “some” culpability on the QB. But that may just be my frustrations from the season talking still.

It’s not stat padding, it’s keeping drives alive and making defenses pay for making certain decisions. It is a very real, regular, and necessary part of playing the QB position.

The QB asked for Dorsey and Barkley too. There is certainly a grey area between taking your QB's wishes into consideration and granting him everything. The offense was high scoring and had a lot of chunk plays to it. But it was certainly not methodical. I thought Allen's request for those guys was more an attempt for him to get his groove back and less a condemnation on the guys in house.

I haven’t had the time to go through Warners breakdown. At scale, I totally agree with you. 2 weeks is conservative for how long some have been pounding the table. But from what I watched on A22 this year the Bengals game was one of Allens less egregious games this season. The Divisional was a full system failure from FO to OC, OL, QB, and WR.

I mean, he’s a 9 handicap. He’s an impressive golfer. But 9 isn’t pro.

I am really frustrated with Beane and have been for a few seasons now. But Christ, if the Pegula run Sabres have taught us anything it’s that things can always get worse. I give Beane an opportunity to figure it out before moving on. That is if the staff makes it through this season without the roster imploding, which I think is non-zero chance unfortunately.