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That 3rd INT was the worst INT since Peterman. That’s not coaching. This was Josh’s first “never been so locked in” and “I’m all ball game”

Josh doesn’t need the be run out of town. He isn’t terrible. He’s great. He also deserves 90% of the criticism in this thread for this game. People can vent without wanting to trade their QB.

It’s almost plays like he’s a guy who “watches a lot of film. But doesn’t go crazy because teams play the Bills differently and like to trust his eyes and play loose” (paraphrasing) Parts of his game remind me of a guy who gets drunk and tells his teammates he’s the best athlete on the planet.

Tonight felt a lot like Ryan Fitzpatrick but backwards. But instead of making decisions he wasn’t physically capable of completing; he made terrible decisions that never should have left his hand.

4 and lucky it wasn’t 5 turnovers with an early whistle. The last interception when Kincade was wide open underneath well past the sticks was one of the worst plays/decisions we’ve seen by a Bills QB in a long time.

Taking that INT out of the end zone is looking worse and worse.

Yeah, that’s why I used the term football player. Allen is the exception to all the rules. When Josh first came into the league I used to say “he’s the most exciting QB in the league”. Very different from being a good one, which he certainly is now.

Yeah, there’s certainly a physicality to his game that’s Newton and Allen-esque. He delivered some balls on the run with crazy velocity that made me audibly go “wow”.

Nit a huge college football guy. I certainly understand the Allen comp. I don’t know if he’ll make it as a QB, but he’s a big, strong, tough athletic kid who throws with a lot of velocity taking on defenders head on.

Unfortunate timing for Richardson, but he looks like a football player.

Tua took a pretty hard knee to the head on that fumble. What are the chances he has another concussion 3 minutes into the season.

I’m not impressed by the Browns. But Burrow and Co look bad.

Bills win if they don't turn the ball over and keep the chains moving. I don't think they'll get out of this one with the big chunk plays and stall we became accustomed to last year. Jets win if the Bills can't get off the field and Cook/Hall tear us up.

Yeah, I’ve actually been a bit more apt to sit back the last few years and not turn into NO. Not to derail but some of the draft misses are also combined with big FA spend to fill the gaps. Not on any single player. Just a lot of them. So next year this Bills are -$33M with only 2 DE under contract. We’ll be taking one if not 2 high in the draft on the heels of taking 3 DE high in the draft and nothing to show for it.

If you’re not living life at both ends of the spectrum you’re not living! But in all seriousness my default is first to fix and you can’t fix without an honest inventory. Starting 0-1 to (a much improved) mediocre team is the honest inventory. But beating a much improved mediocre team with Aaron Rodgers is also good. Plus add on that as somebody in their late 30’s, the Bills have more bad credit than good credit, here we are. I’m basically bipolar.

Not just that, they’re going to pay NJ taxes on their game checks.

Totally agree. If they want to give some advantage back to the OL then do it. The issue is that at some point on a 4th and goal, or 3rd and long with the game on the line, an official is going to throw a flag for some OL who has been allowed to move early either all night or all season. The tape will show that it is clearly Offside by the rule. And everybody will go "well, it was technically Offside". But in the context of a game/season the player was very consistent.

If I could get a shout out on McAfee Tuesday that would be awesome!

My better half just got tickets for the @Jets game Monday. We thought they were the 50 Club. Turns out they are in the EY Coaches Club. This means we are sitting behind the Jets bench and we are in the tunnel for the Jets to take the field. I need some ideas for heckling outside of the “you suck!”. If I could get a laugh out of Rodgers, that would be huge. Nothing disrespectful enough to make him want to try harder either. https://www.newyorkjets.com/tickets/clubs/coaches-club

The NFL and football is its own crazy animal. It is so "twitchy" and requires so much strength. I think more than a lot of sports the spectrum of work v natural ability sku's to natural ability. There is a lot of downtime, and given the physical nature and impact of the sport, the body requires a lot of downtime just to recover. You just can't always put in the hours some more aerobic, or lesser impact sports do. Somebody who who swims, or runs, or plays handball probably puts in more physical fitness hours per year. But they also don't get hit by a Prius once a week for 17 weeks. I posit that means football is a bit more open to "lazier" athletes. They can have better careers just because so much more rest is built in and their natural ability can carry them through. But that means every once in a while you get a guy like Brady or Jerry Rice who do do it all, and they take over the sport entirely. Where as swimming, or water polo, or rowing are hoping for a physiological monster like Michael Phelps to show up. Thank you. I enjoy our back and forth between kicking my dog and beating my partner.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I like Colorado's post. I have some further concerns he doesn't. This is a good topic. I posted my thoughts and didn't make any commentary on yours, or anybody else's ethos. But you did.... Disagreements, negativity, homer-isms, nor positivity are a problem on this board. It is one of the better sports message boards on the internet for any team or sport. The biggest problem here (or any forum) is when people show up with commentary on the character of the posters here rather than partaking in conversation about the topic at hand.

I am a less concerned about Diggs numbers vs other top receivers, and more concerned about the patterns of the two teams who consistently seem to be in their conference championship games. But I don't think we are saying something much different from each other either. Here are all the SB's from Brady and Mahomes, as well as their top receiver by receptions and league rank. 2022 - Kelce - 110 (3) - Mahomes 2020 - Evans- 70 (33) - Brady 2019 - Kelce - 97 (8) - Mahomes 2018 - White - 87 (16) - Brady 2016 - Edelman - 98 (4) - Brady 2014 - Edelman - 92 (8) - Brady 2004 - Givens - 56 (41) - Brady 2003 - Branch - 57 (42) - Brady 2001- Brown - 101 (5) - Brady I was curious so I added the SB's from any QB who won 2x since 2000. 2015 - Thomas - 105 (7) - Manning 2011 - Cruz - 82 (9) - Eli 2008 - Ward - 81 (14) - Ben 2007 - Burress - 70 (30)- Eli 2006 - Harrison - 95 (3) - Manning 2005 - Ward - 69 (30) - Ben To yours (and others) points, having somebody to go to as your outlet consistently is important. But Diggs doesn't need 110 targets either. Kelce last year would be the first time that happened to a QB who won multiple SB's in a SB year. Diggs doesn't need more targets, the rest of the WR corp does. Some of this is on Beane, some on Dorsey, some on Allen, and some on the WR's themselves.

I understand the split. Without derailing the thread, different from other business ventures, the players, their personal lives, and their play on the field are the product. If the players woke up and said "We want 52% of revenue." I would support that. I don't necessarily mean they are getting jobbed. That said QB contracts are bonkers. To your point the QB contract has nearly tripled while the salary cap has only nearly doubled over the last 10 years. I definitely wish the quarterback wasn't taking such a large piece of the pie these days. I am surprised that some of these guys haven't caught on. A big part of Brady's longevity was him taking some paycuts over the years for depth at WR, OL, and of course some of those stingy New England defenses. Imagine if Burrow took $40M and said "Make sure you keep Chase, Higgins, and Boyd". EDIT: QB's are paid like they are Lebron, Kobe, Mike, etc. But honestly, in BB those guys can more or less win you a championship on their own. How many years did Rodgers flounder? Brees? You can't win in the NFL without a QB, but having a QB and paying a QB can make it difficult without being savvy elsewhere.

I was typing something on another thread about Toney and after I hit "reply" I immediately got an ESPN notification he was cut. In a weird way I respect that Mahomes kept going back to him. It is something that I think sometimes holds Rodgers back. He openly says "I won't throw x the ball because of drops" (paraphrasing). At some point you have to make the right decisions about given plays and coverage. If John Smith costs you a game that's on John Smith. But he won't get better if you never throw to him. And the job for your other WR won't get any easier if you just ignore other players on the field either.

I think the answer at WR is similar to what KC did last year/this year and the groupings the Pats won with. Very good tight end and a lot of "pretty good" with specific skill sets. The idea QB's like Allen, Mahomes, Brady, etc. need Diggs and OBJ or Hopkins, or whoever isn't the solution. Not once you pay the QB. I think the Bills have gotten close but not quite there. Knox is very good but not great. Diggs is great. Davis is good but needs some consistency with his hands. Harty, Sherfield, Kincaid, and Kalil should all be able to contribute. I think the Bills have a bigger issue at pass catcher, we don't often put our WR in a position to succeed and we do a pretty mediocre job at spreading the ball out. We have to do a better job at making the defense cover everybody rather than our top 3 all the time. Brady and Mahomes pay the bills by throwing to the guy defenses ignore. Over the course of the season that should make life easier for Diggs and Co.