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And the dental care!

This seems way cooler than London. Screw the boiled potatoes, bring on the paella!

This is what is up for debate in court. Not whether Terry said it, but whether they did their due diligence. I am not sure they did. I’m also not sure they didn’t. Goodell’s statements don’t help clear the air and I don’t believe Ed Kilgore knows what the league did and didn’t do in 2020. Terry has said something’s in direct contradiction to Trump. But also hosted him here in Buffalo. This whole thing feels like a very tangled mess at every corner.

I actually hate this take. I’d rather Josh be a little too cocky and bet on his eyes by not watching enough film. Or not putting enough care in his diet. There is something about the idea that Josh played the way he did because he “got bored of taking what the defense was giving him” that infuriates me to no end. Josh Allen was so so bad that he’s the topic of conversation for every media outlet this week. People comparing him to Carson Wentz. And he played that way because he was bored?! I’ll take a guy who is missing a piece here or there. Or needs to get better at skill A or B. But to play like crap because you got bored? If that’s the case he’s done in this league forever and he’s entered the realm of uncoachability. That’s insane myopic, selfish, and narcissistic in a way that makes you a consistent danger to your teams. Edit: I am not saying this is the case. I vehemently disagree with this. But also, as a team and a fan base we need this not to be the case. To me this is absolutely worst cash scenario.

Shanahan is likely the best OC in the league right now, at worst second behind Reid. If Shanahan would hate working with a guy, maybe Kyle isn’t the problem. I don’t agree with you, I think Shanahan would welcome Josh with open arms.

That wasn’t a hack, that was me…well I’m kind of a hack, but all I do is post on this message board.

I agree there were some problems with Daboll here and that he did some good things in providing Josh some things he could execute well like plays where everybody ran a hook route, or all crossers and Josh rolling out. Both helped Josh either throw or run. That’s it. But at some point when you pay your guy $250M he has to be good at well…the entire playbook. I think that’s a big criticism I’ve had for some time even regarding the WR position. Like, “woah hold up, you’re telling me that my $250M star QB needs a 1a, 1b at both outside spots, plus a pretty good TE”. When the QB gets laid the expectations change across the board from weapons to executing the entire playbook.

Sometimes I think some of this is revisionist. I remember this board being highly critical of Daboll a lot of times. It’s worth noting that since coming into the league Josh leads the NFL in turnovers. Only 19 of 86 games are under Dorsey. Josh’s most interceptions were 2021 and fumbles were in 2019, both under Daboll. Daboll is a good coach and likely better than Dorsey; but I think there’s a little “grass is greener” going on here. Also maybe a little “OMG, don’t let my franchise QB be broken forever” knee jerk response. (He isn’t broken forever)

The more I sit with this the more I see it similar to Michael Irvin. You can tell Josh to play smart. You can yell at him. But you can’t signal to the public that he’s dumb (pointing at your head). Palmer doesn’t help here. By publicly saying “He misses Daboll” he’s also saying “Josh is broken and needs help”. But also…WTF does Josh pay this guy for. It’s week 1 and this was a mess. How can a private QB coach be like “It’s the OC” after spending more time with him than anybody in the offseason? And then be like “The real secret sauce isn’t me or his current OC, it’s the HC of the Giants?

Let me start by saying Daboll is a good football coach. But let’s also not pretend that Belichick doesn’t hand out compliments to people not in the building all Willy nilly. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/bill-belichick-praise-chicago-bears-week-7-patriots

A few comments about Diggs doing media a favor, or not having to do interviews etc. Guaranteed he has media responsibilities in his contract. So when the Bills schedule interview time, many times he’s contractually obligated. All these sit downs in front of a mic aren’t some favor or good will. Nobody would do daily media unless obligated.

I was at the game and actually thought the booth was going to pull him into the tent to check. I was surprised this wasn’t the incident cited in this post. It felt like he hit hard from sitting in the lower bowl.

I don’t think the flag theory is possible. Too much risk. Any reaction to a hit in the head could trigger a concussion evaluation from the booth. If Allen was faking for a flag that was his first major risky decision of the night and we didn’t see a concussion. We saw the wheels start to turn for everything else that followed.

Ugh. It’s not a “stooory” But also, come on man. Don’t treat people that way.

All the talk of players chipping in is so wildly absurd. Even in employee owned companies and/or companies with stock options, never would an employee take a loss, or lesser income/profit share repave the parking lot or put on a new roof. Crazy talk.

I don’t know what to tell you man. Trotter filed a report about an allegation somebody else made to his employer. Trotter is saying that his employer didn’t investigate it and instead retaliated. Under those circumstances the language in the report is protected. That seems fair. The issue is with the league. Based on Goodells recent comments that contradict each other by saying they both have looked into this and will look into this to see if it here is any evidence, the leaguer messed up. HR is there to protect the company. Doesn’t sound like they did. Now here we are.

An attorney over an Sabrespace has mentioned a few times that the “quote” from Pegula has immunity. Suits has been trending and now we are all internet lawyers. Can’t wait until @HOUSE starts trending again and we can all trade in our (myself included) internet law degrees for internet medical degrees.

Looks like Goodell recently said that these allegations have been looked into and will be looked into to make sure they aren’t true. A bit of a gaffe there https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/roger-goodell-addresses-jim-trotters-lawsuit-suggests-league-will-investigate

I get that to an extent. But what’s up for debate is whether or not the league looked into fully once an official complaint was filed by one of its employees. I don’t know if it’s because Suits is trending again, but everybody is tossing around heresay. I’m no legal professional but I do not believe I need to meet the legal standard for a crime in order to submit an official complaint to my company and also receive an internal investigation. But to your specific point I don’t think if I quoted ann official complaint to my employer it qualifies as defamation. My goal in the original report would be a thorough investigation, but the result is losing my job.* I get it from a Buffalo or Pegula standpoint. But I think it’s unintentionally myopic without much legal standing. HR doesn’t work for the employee they protect the employer. In theory an actual investigation would have put all this to bed. This is HR’s job. My guess is they didn’t do it because that would have provided an official paper trail. But now they likely don’t have much of a paper trail and are stuck in this position and a bit vulnerable to a much larger legal suit. *allegedly (also, again, not a lawyer) I disagree here. What he asserts as facts are that somebody told him this and he filed an official complaint with his employer. He also asserts that the league didn’t thoroughly investigate. He reported heresay to his employer. He admits as much. Which I think (ouch!) is fine. Almost all HR complaints are void of email, video, or audio recordings. Complaints to your employer don’t need to meet the same criteria for a criminal or civil complaint. Just my $0.02

This is a lot of words to say “not a great passer”. Josh will figure out how to sustain success as the front man for an entire franchise or he won’t. I think he will. But becoming a better passer and less erratic is an absolute necessity. He has 35 turnovers in his last 19 games. (365 days) If the only way to not do that is to not play like Brady or whatever you’re insinuating, then I don’t think Josh will ever be capable of not giving the ball away twice per game. And if Josh Allen can’t keep the ball out of the other teams hands twice per game his career will go the direction of Carson Wentz. Josh can do it, but learning to protect himself and the ball isn’t part of the problem it is the only solution.

I don’t know if Josh went Hollywood. I think maybe he went the Willy Beaman route. He was a relative nobody, became a legit superstar, and became over confident. Hopefully Josh doesn’t sign with the Aztecs.

The way I understand it (not a lawyer) is that he doesn’t have to prove that because that’s not what’s up for debate. What is being argued is that the NFL didn’t follow up on his report to about both this and Jones in 2020. In fact I don’t think Trotter is publicly accusing of Pegula, he’s publicly accusing the league of not even looking into it, and then it costing him his job once he pressed them. I think there’s a flip side here that really annoys me, that if Trotter is correct on his lawsuit, the league is the one who is tearing Pegula down by refusing due diligence to officially clear the situation.

Can we make this a poll? Josh is wildly physically talented. He runs on moxie and physiology. If he doesn’t change that he’ll have a harder career than he should. Favre had bad games and bad years. Maybe that’s Josh. I’ve thought he’d always have some longevity. But Monday night was the first time I’ve thought “maybe he doesn’t”. There is one fact that keeps gnawing at me. His turnover rate of nearly 2 per game in the last 365 is way too high to keep going. It has to be fixed and fixed fast. 35 turnovers in the last 19 games is tragic. Edit: For reference, Mahomes has 18 over the same span.

Great thread. I haven’t had the time to look at the tape myself yet. But I do weekly. Two bullets I have some comments: 1. Josh has often gotten by on overlooking the easy play, first down, or even TD in favor of the splash play. I’ve noticed that often in my A22 reviews he gets a lot of credit for completing amazing passes but overall are should be be critical plays. The Diggs pass seems like a good example. A good result doesn’t equal a good decision. 2. Daboll mentioned forever ago that he doesn’t put Josh behind center because being in shotgun lets him process or see the defense better. I don’t mean to read too much into it, but given point one above I’ve long held onto it that seeing the field is something Josh has struggled with at times.

Not just that, but way back when A-22 used to break down plays, series, and drives. So I could at least get close to what I was looking for. Now I have to carve out more time to go through everything. Rewinding and rewatching suck.