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I am not saying you don't want quality receivers. Or even a solid second option. A big part of what I am referring to is the last season or two where the board has been filled with "Pay (insert start receiver) $15M per year. Every team is doing it." Of course, if you can get a sure handed outlet like JuJu for $3.5M the Bills should go out and do that. Hell, let Davis walk and grab a guy in the first this year. The roster is fairly complete and it is likely a cheap upgrade. Equitable distribution has been the name of the game for some time. There is certainly a cost formula to the whole thing that needs to be adhered to as well. Spreading the ball out is something we have sucked at for a while now. Some of that is on the GM, some of it is on the OC, and some of that is on the QB. I think it is a big part of why the OL and running game looks better as well. It relieves a lot of pressure from everybody. I think it is a more complicated solution than "get a second receiver". To your point about having a second option when Diggs is taken away, in the only game Diggs didn't have 100 yards this year, Davis went 6/7 for 92 and a TD. He has had some ups and downs, but he did step up FWIW. He had himself a bit of a day on Josh's second best game of the season.I think if Davis/Diggs cannot get it done on a given week the combo of Knox and Kincade can likely pick up the slack. Which is also part of the secret sauce for guys who are repeatedly winning SB's. I am happy we are getting better at it. A big portion of the credit for that goes to Josh and Dorsey.

I don't totally disagree here. But the Jones contract isn't holding them back. They have something like $45M in space next year even with Jones, and he only counts for $15M this year. They brought in a ton of FA this passed offseason and 1 offensive lineman. They have the cash to fill a lot of holes. The Giants can and should move on from Jones when they can. But there are a lot of issues outside of QB that are destroying this team. Daboll and Shoen were hired within a few days of each other. They deserve to be on the chopping block. Those guys throwing DJ under the bus on this is right up there with the shirt treatment Saleh has given White.

I think Daboll has always been a blowhard. Not a terrible dude, but he cannot be "the guy" at the top or in total control of one side of the ball. He needs a few degrees of separation to provide a buffer. He needs to be part of an ensemble, he can't be the star or the conductor.

I don't disagree with you, but last night he completed 79% of his passes (27/34). The Mannings were pretty critical of play call and personnel groupings last night. With a lot of "Everybody is covered" and "Where is he supposed to throw when all he has is the backs of his receivers heads" on top of it. (paraphrasing) Jones isn't great, but I think he is getting thrown under the bus for last night. The pick 6 wasn't good but it also wasn't the most flagrant issue with the team either. It isn't like the team was awesome and they were a QB away. That game wasn't his fault. A lot is going wrong with the Giants. I don't like Dabolls reaction to it. I think he is treating Jones like Saleh is treating White.

it is just message board fodder. My point is that if we are talking about going after fired head coaches I would much prefer a guy like McVay who has been apart of a lot of good offenses but failed with some of the HC management over a guy who has like 8 years of bottom 5 offenses in the NFL and 2-3 good years with Josh. In reality if LAR moved on from McVay I would guess he gets another HC gig. But I do think when you have a guy like Josh and a defensive HC, Buffalo becomes a possible landing spot for FA HC to reset for a couple of seasons before their next HC position. So I guess there could be a possibility however unlikely. The Manningcast rolled their eyes when Jones got swallowed up by the DL and every WR had their backs turned running 3 x 10 yard curl routes. Jones isn't great, but he got no favors last night. If the Giants move on I would be happy to have him as a back up for a year or two to "get right".

If Gailey landed Cam Newton he would have been our coach for a while, and dare I say would have ended the drought earlier. No complaints, we better off with McD and Josh. You can't change one thing without changing everything afterwards.

same The Patriots had some timely advantages to their calls. But I think this years Chiefs are way worse. What they’ve been able to get a way with on OL for nearly every play of every game is insane. This is worse than its ever been for any team. Daniel Jones was nowhere near the top of the list of things wrong with the Giants last night. That was a total dumpster fire. Danny Dimes contract is a non issue, they have $40M in space next year with an out after 2024.

I think Saleh is a big part of why pundits think it’s ok to speak so flippantly about Wilson. Also Harrison is a consummate POS.

Danny Dimes isn’t elite. A couple head scratchers. But he completed like 80% of his passes and lead the team in rushing. He had zero help out there. I’m not sure Mahomes would have gotten it done. By the second half on the Manningcast Peyton was ripping half of the personnel groupings and play calls. This game wasn’t on him Jones. Daboll and Shoen deserve a lot of blame for where this team is right now. They need a lot of help outside of QB.

We’ll have to draft a receiver high next year. Diggs won’t last forever and I think Davis asking price is too high given the cap. I like having him around. It’s a shame. But part of the business.

3/6 were won by Brady/Mahomes. 2 QB’s notorious for spreading the ball out? Part of what I am talking about isn’t just painting with a broad brush “two good receivers”. When I talk about premier I’m talking about paying Diggs and $18M on the other side of the field. So sure, if we can get OBJ for $1.25M like he got paid in LA. Do it. And ya know what, go ahead and get Tyreek and Kelce for a grand total of like $13M. I’ll take that. I would love to grab JuJu for $3.7M. The 2017 Eagles combined cap hit for Wentz, Foles, Jefferies, and Ertz was like $25M total. Gronk, Evans, and Godwin combined for $15M against the cap for TB. What I don’t want is a $40M QB, $25M receiver, and another $18M receiver and all the targets going to those guys. That’s not how any of this works. But sure, go get great players for cheap or draft them, I’m all for it. But at the end of the day really good teams spread the ball out a ton and rarely have a 1a/1b in the stat book and never have them in the check book. A lot of the time they don’t have there number 1 that is close to leading the league in receptions.

They have something like $45M in space next year and they can get out of the Jones contract after. Jones contract isn’t holding the team back. And the team is short more than a QB. The Manning’s spent a good portion of the second half ripping play calls and personnel choices. The Giants are a disaster all over the place.

https://ibb.co/FJFnnGW (on an iPhone so I can’t attach the photo. Too large)

All of them.

Peyton is absolutely obliterating play calling and personnel choices. It’s almost every down at this point.

They have a “reasonable” out after next season. The Giants have a lot more problems than Daniel Jones. They have $43M in space next year. They will have some money. If they don’t have an OL after next year they’re likely cleaning house. But somebody probably loses their job after this disaster too. The cringe from the Manning’s about the Giants entire offense is palpable.

3 x 10 yard hook routes. The Daboll special!

They should have signed Sammy Watkins. Manningcast my guy! It was built for trash games like this.

I think Elam is likely “fine”. I don’t think he’s a bust. Probably “meh”. Jackson struggled as the year went on and everybody on defense went down, but when Tre went down Dane played really well. And by the time we hit the playoffs was better than Levi. Through the first 5 or so games of last season DJ was something like top 5 in passer rating when targeted. He’s struggled but he can ball too. All that said Benford beat him out in a close battle. And apparently Elam wasn’t too far behind. I think it’s a factor of having an all-pro on one side and and 2 pretty goods on the other. Pair that with minimal game experience, being strongest at the defenses least used skill set, and a lack of versatility compared to the guys in front of him, he finds himself the odd man out.

It’s hilarious to me that this is the same stadium that was rocking for the Jets last night.

Yeah, this year is different/better. I was more taking to the last few years.

In general I have issues with people who make athletics their career and are then obese/morbidly obese like Daboll and Reid. Guys don’t need to be holed up like McD or McShay. But come on.

Finally found the video on Twitter. That looked tough. He’s had a great resurgence. Hope it isn’t bad.