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More so than any complaints about McBeane, Dorsey, Allen, Poyer, Kincade, whatever the flavor of the week is, I am the most frustrated that it just doesn’t seem like this town can get away from the injury bug. For what seems like the millionth time in a row we are down a bunch of high impact starters…again. I am not pointing the finger at the staff but it feels like such a gut punch.

I thought I saw him back on the field and that was situational. If true, very odd to sit a guy and never provide him safety help for your CB4 on Ridley.

Elam was in position more times than he wasn’t. But he needed to get eyes on the ball. Too often he played the man well without any idea of the pass. He stood up for 3-ish quarters. Hyde botched his 1:1 responsibility in Ridley too. I was shocked they didn’t help Elam out more with a safety over top. I was a little more upset with that than I was Elam.

Allen used to put everything on a frozen rope with almost no window for error and difficult to catch. I think this has been his correction. But I wish he’d have it more dialed in. Today wasn’t on Allen.

I posted concern the other day. The soccer field is 3 feet above the stadium foundation and the football field is on a rubber mat on concrete. It sucked. And it sucks more for the season than it does this individual game.

The good: - Oliver - AJE - All our LB’s - Dane Jackson The bad: - Refs - Injuries - Safeties - Jags time in London - No one unit of the offense but they never got it together either.

Other sports have been crossing oceans for decades to compete. OP pretends this is new to the world so all data is flawed because Bills. (And some weird statement about science in general). It’s just new to the NFL. Most sports who are far more invested in international travel have laid it out. Got at least two weeks early or show up close to game time. Science doesn’t mean “do this and 100% of the time everything will be great”.

This game is all stalled drives, dropped passes, mystery flags, and defensive injuries. I’m generally very quick to point fingers but I just want the guys to come home and I want to move on.

They’re saying he stayed on the ground after the Bills called a TO. But I swear I’ve heard of teams getting their TO back when the refs catch an injury after the fact. This one is a first for my memory.

The defense haven’t been able to overcome the 3 and outs and constant ghost flags all game. It was a matter of time before they popped. Just get back home at this point.

I’m no engineer of field surface guru, but my first thought was that the soccer field is a hybrid natural/artificial surface lifted off the ground. And the NFL is full synthetic laid on a 1 inch rubber mat directly on the foundation/tracks of the stadium. That has to hurt. Sheesh. It likely seems like it isn’t a huge deal. But even running on the sidewalk vs street as a normal human who occasionally jogs makes a huge difference on joint health.

This sounds like a guy I’d bump into at Brick Bar ripping coke on a casual Wednesday night.

Agreed, I’ve been critical of both, more so Rousseau. Oliver has always made a lot of plays just not as many splash plays as some would like. Also big props on Jones and Floyd. Their impact cannot be understated. They’ve both balled out.

I couldn’t watch tonight but checking the box score, you’d like to see more than 2 solo tackles from your big time FA. But in on 9 and 2 solo is the Edmunds stat line so….

I think the team travels with like 150 people or so +\-. I’m guessing that means any first class seat has to sit next to somebody and everybody else gets a row to themselves. If I book a flight last minute and can’t get extra leg room I always go to the back row window. More often than not the middle seat will be open and I can stretch diagonally.

For other sports who do a lot of international travel the standard operating procedure is either at least two weeks or go right before the event and don’t let the body slow down.

It just occurred to me that these stadiums are built for 25 person rosters. These NFL games need at least 53. Plus you have to add in that these teams will likely travel with a bunch of their practice squad players to account for injury being so far away. Pretty nuts that that whole build out is purely for the 2 NFL games per year.

For sports that travel internationally regularly that’s what the data has suggested. At least two weeks or just keep the momentum rolling.

Just to clarify you mean 3 games is post merger and 4 games is pre-merger? It might be the pot talking but I read this 100 times and it says “tied the record with 3…the most is 4”.

I think YAC is up. Not to combined two topics but I think part of it is just spreading the ball out more. It forces the defense to leave more open space and respect everybody. Josh, Dorsey, and Personnel are all pieces of that pie. I’ve been pounding the table on this board to spread the ball out. I’m just thrilled it’s happening!

There is a space in between your very extreme example. The Rams managed the cap in a way maybe only one other team in history has (Saints). It’s a terrible historical example. So sure we can talk about Kupp. And we can also say “yes they won that Super Bowl” but until they straighten their cap out, partially because of that contact, they’ll continue to suck balls. They risked their entire future for one shot. They’re lucky it worked out, it doesn’t make it best practices.. So no, I don’t want to sign Adams even if his cap hit is $3M this year if it means him, Allen, and Diggs account for us being -$60M over the cap going forward. And to an extent I don’t want Davis at anything more than $3-5M next year (he wont). I’m all for drafting a WR high to fill the gap in 24 and keep cost low. That’s the model that has sustained success for franchises that have won multiple SB’s. I prefer to follow that one. We have enough long term pieces to do this thing more than once.

You can definitely speak to cap hit in a SB year. WTF are you talking about? AAV is useless. Not being on the hook for big contract is paramount to signing high level players across your roster. The cost effectiveness of the roster right now is about as good as it’s ever been. That is a super important part of the Bills journey for a SB. Nobody is winning SB’s with a huge QB and WR bill due in the same year because it pulls from other positions. That’s a very valid and true topic of conversation however inconvenient for you. The cap is only accounting to a point. You can only kick the can so long. It’s a big part of why LAR is struggling right now.

I'm not your buddy, pal! I understand that completely. But it doesn't change the fact that when the bill comes due paying Kupp the remainder of his deal costs the team in other places. There is a reason teams win championships when guys like Kupp or Evans have low cap hits and they lose them when they take a greater percentage of allocated cap dollars. The Rams are a great example of that. They have sucked since they won a championship and the bill came due.

I think there is some chicken and the egg. And there it is always a little bit of both. That said, the most recent SB teams have been bargain hunting from receivers. I posted this up thread because a poster mentioned "the last 6 Super Bowls". But outside of Watkins with Mahomes on a rookie contract, nobody has a major cap hit for a receiver in a SB year.

Right, in other posts in this thread I have mentioned a big part of way I am approaching the Davis conversation is the regular threads the last 2-3 years of drafting/signing Hopkins, OBJ, Adams, etc. the last few years. I don't agree with that aspect. So I guess I am arguing a history of posts rather than this point as a whole. Davis has drop issues. But I also think the style of offense we have played the last few years leading to 2023 has been so Allen/Diggs focused it has made it difficult for our RBs, OL, and other WR. I don't think it is a coincidence that we are doing a better job of spreading the ball out and everybody looks better. Certainly some of it is personnel but some of it is Josh and Dorsey both being better too. Those guys named are better/have had better production but a lot of them didn't produce to expectations once given veteran contracts with other teams. I think it is a complicated formula and a lot of moving parts to make it all work.