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I first read this as "Allen chants" after the coin toss. And frankly that sounds way better. Allen just starts a slow clap and generically chants "fans.........fans.......fans.......fans......fans....fans..fans..fans.fans".

This is a good point I hadn’t thought of. I’ll add on, I don’t think McD is the dud some paint him as. He also isn’t a world beater. Good coaches run their course sometimes. It’s exceedingly rare for guys in pro sports to have tenures like Ruff and BB.

Dorseys game against the Jets was more or less unanimously considered successful. I’m not trying to bring the other threads into this one. But I have some concern over Dorsey not planning this one and just installing Brady during the bye.

Re: Diggs, that’s not exactly true. It will cost us $3M more to trade him off the roster before June 1 than to have him on. And no additional cap hit going forward. So yes it’s $31M but he will cost $28M anyways. If we wait until after June 1 we save $19M in 2024. And eat his normal cap hit in dead money of $22M in 2025. So 2024 is actually a major gain for us and 2025 would be a wash. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/

I think when you see other QB’s with weaknesses you see them take a sack due to mobility, under throw a ball do to arm strength, or miss a pass do to accuracy. The tough part with Allen is we aren’t talking about a single skill. His base problem isn’t under throwing go routes that sometimes gets intercepted like a noodle armed QB but often time doesn’t. We’re talking about the problem actually being turnovers and turnovers all end the same. The other team gets the ball. All sacks or inaccurate balls don’t give the other team the ball.

It occured to me today that some speculated that McD was on the hot seat coming into this season and that is why Frazier "took a year off". Like Frazier the coach, love the man. But christ, if this team goes from McD to Leslie Frazier I am going to be upset. The reason I am suddenly bothered is because it is not non-zero.

Right? The guys basically fly's into a city on Wednesdays. Hangs out and asks some questions Thursday day/morning. Does a 30 minute pregame, 20 minute half time, and 30 minute end of game recap as a panelist, not even a host. Then probably sleeps in his own bed in his hometown in AZ Thursday night. And he probably gets a couple million to do it. And the thought is he will trade that for like $500k per year to move to Buffalo, sleep on a cot, and barely see his family. Sounds like a great gig.

Ok, I hear what your saying and that is a good idea. But one thing I am so confused about is the turnovers. I get the sense these are bad. And when we have them, we lose more. I wonder if they have tried asking him to stop? Has anybody asked somebody on the team if they maybe tried asking him to stop? Who is the asker I need to ask to do the asking of Josh to stop doing the thing?

I agree. I have been particularly hard on Josh this season specifically. At the moment he isn't executing, and he isn't hearing whoever is coaching him. Time to get somebody in who can get this get back to having fun. In hindsight I think McD's tight grip likely squeezed some of the fun out of him. After the last drive and the 12 men, I would have been open to giving Dorsey the reigns as interim HC just because I think if this team can go back to enjoying the game the rest won't matter as much, I don't think McD is a great CFO (Chief Fun Officer). Maybe we double down on the youth movement, and the success we see McDaniel's style is bringing to Miami and we bring in Caleb Pressley as the Supervisor of Morale. Anyways, this team looks miserable.

The offense was better last year. Dorsey called some lights out games this year. After a bad outing or two McD said he was going to be more involved. I get the sense everybody is gripping too tight and McD is probably to blame for that. If the offense is absolutely lights out after the bye, I coulda kinda-sorta, maybe, after a few drinks get behind a youth movement at coach. Double down on the young offensive coordinator like LAR and MIA, and give Brady the reigns in 2024. (ducks and covers) We could really make it dangerous, and after naming a totally inexperienced 34 year old HC, we could make Bobby Babich our 40 year old DC. Edit: But honestly, it would help maybe provide some continuity for Allen and the young guys we have coming up while shifting the priority to taking care of Josh long term. Edit 2: I am doubling down on youth here. Time to get Caleb Pressley to unretire and get this guy into the fold as the Supervisor of Morale" For those unfamiliar, he is now a barstool guy, but he was recruited to play QB at UNC. He basically both stunk and didn't take it too seriously and he donned himself the Supervisor of Morale. They kept him on the team in his made up role. https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/588506

I am going to have to go back and check your reactions to any of my posts and rethink my position anything you agree with. This will never happen. And nor should it. I know I am thinking a million steps down the line here, but if this were to get approved at the level of the NFL, just wait until your employer starts asking for money back if you miss a monthly/quarterly/yearly target. This is crazy.

100% people in the org do. Guaranteed. This is a multi billion dollar organization not just built in product but fandom and its consumption. That said. It’s almost certainly not McBeane. But I assume there are people in marketing and PR who check the pulse on their largest and most rabid online community. I’m sure Beane isn’t asking for a TBD update but I assume we’re part of some larger fan pulse/temperature/update within the org.

I agree. After last night final defensive plays where we dialed up the same blitz two plays in a row. Plus the 12 men penalty, I actually became curious as to how much McD was spending time with the offense. Like I think it might be a lot. And this is the result. This years results were so up and down. And so different from last year. We’ve seen Dorsey call a lights out game. We have seen Josh do it. These guys are capable and one day woke up playing and calling garbage games over and over. The messaging has gone stale. If Brady can’t get Josh and Co. back to having fun out there it’s time to reset this whole thing.

The 12 guys on the field and same exact defensive call 2 plays in a row is what soured me on McD. Just, like, he did everything pretty much right all game long on his side of the ball. And to just botch those things. Then everybody’s pressers? And the QB isn’t playing well. Nobody is hearing what the coaches are saying. Maybe Brady turns this thing around on offense. But right now my money is on that he’s lost the locker room or very close to it. I think his message has gone stale.

It was a talking point with Shannon Sharpe today. He said repeatedly that Trevon Diggs wouldn't tweet it if it didn't come from Stef first. There is no way Sterling Sharpe would publicly put that out there unless it was a conversation they had actually had. Jeff Saturday also agreed, Trevon's tweets are Diggs thoughts. Stephen A. doubled down on his offseason statement that Diggs wanted out this offseason. He said he heard it from players that are currently in the league. Shower thought: If we used to read tweets on twitter, and twitter is now X. What are the posts? "Did you see what Trevon Diggs X'd?"

Meh. I don't like the way he handled Cincinnati. I don't like the way he handled camp. I don't like they he spent 6 months not putting this to bed. I don't like that he has his brother doing his bidding for him. Diggs outburst have nothing to do with content and everything to do with delivery. Being correct doesn't mean you can do and say whatever you want, especially when you are part of a team. I am fairly certain Diggs wants out based on his brothers tweets. If Tre is tweeting that Stef made Allen, you best believe that is a conversation that has happened between the two. The team is a mess, but it isn't a get out of jail free card for being part of that mess.

That is the year the league folds.

Playoff numbers? You are putting a lot of changing variables and brackets around data sets. I think if you want to talk about Allen's turnovers you have to zoom out, not zoom in, include some turn overs but not others, then include all turn overs but only certain games. Now I do agree he has had stretches where he didn't turn the ball over. But overall, the pattern has been that he tends to revert back to it. I think this is why it is frustrating because there are these moments of brilliance. Also, the Houston game is at least in part on Josh Allen and his turnovers. His very fist playoff game. I don't understand the need to dig your heels in on this. I gave you credit in my response. But I also said a lot of things are true at the same time, including some deficiencies at QB.

Curious what this offense looks like under Brady? The Sean Payton and LSU/Burrow connections are intriguing. Maybe we go on a tear. Josh throws 30 TD's and no INT's the rest of the season. Maybe Dorian Williams is the next Ray Lewis! LFG!

It is interesting you include total TD for Allen but then only rely on INT's without including fumbles. turnovers This is Allens 5th year averaging over a turn over per game or more. This is Mahomes 2nd and Burrow has only done it once. Both Mahomes and Burrow have been at 1.0 but never over. I think there is room for a lot of things to be true at the same time. We need better WR's. We need better coaching. Allen needs to do better at taking care of the football in the air and on the ground.

Or at least hold after the motion and redirect traffic a bit.

I want the Allen back that had a chip on his shoulder yelling "I don't know who the fork they though I was" in a playoff game. I don't think he is lazy. And I don't think he is Hollywood. But I do think he has lost that chip on his shoulder and has bought into his own hype a bit. He spent an NFL career running on moxie, physicality/physiology, and chaos, but you can't survive as an NFL QB off of that. I think he his feedback loop runs on false positives; the idea that just because you can doesn't mean you should. Allen, fairly early in his career completed a lot of plays that others couldn't make, but also that he maybe shouldn't have even attempted. Doesn't see the open guy, scrambles, play breaks down, chucks it off his back leg into double coverage, 30 yard TD. Cheers, pats on back, congratulations. He completed more of these types of plays with more success than anybody, maybe ever. But it isn't sustainable. Teams know it is his go to, so they sit back and wait for it. His game needs to takes its next step in its evolution. Peyton said this during the broadcast and it gave me pause. "If you have to throw it that hard maybe you should think about not throwing it at all."

I agree with basically everything. But I take a little issue with this. I switched to the Manning cast at half time and Eli said this (paraphrasing) after an ill advised deep throw "They are giving him everything underneath. Take the yards and march down the field. Does he know he is allowed to have a 10 play drive". We heard Brady say the same thing just a few weeks ago. Fire Dorsey. Whatever. At this point we have to, we are lost. But teams are playing us in 2 high shells and our QB is just ignoring it. Hire somebody that he will listen to. Bring in Palmer as our QB coach. Bring his HS coach on board. Hire both Manning's and Brady to QB coach Josh by committee. I don't care. But at some point the guy has to listen. In the last 2 weeks 3 HoF QB's have publicly said this is a problem.

I get it, it is great to have local guys like Cover 1. But everybody isn't right all the time. I think all sorts of NFL pundits are wrong sometimes, and a bunch of them have gold jackets. I think C1 does a good job, but as of late their content seems to lack depth. Last weeks "Everything is broken" video sort of flipped me on them. - Showing plays like "Look there are 2 receivers in Josh's field of view, and 2 receivers not in his view" (everybody can't and shouldn't be on the same side of the field) - "This guys was open in this concept against this defense, but what if he wasn't" (well then the defense would be different too) - "Look at all these zone beater routes against the cover 2 shell, what an idiot" (so the right routes vs. the right defense?). It just isn't compelling video breakdown. I get the sense they have peaked. I posted earlier, I think there is space to say we should have rolled Josh out, or we should have run the ball, or we should be under center. But I can't wrap my head around the idea that the entire play call is flawed when the QB ignores the defense and the correct read to an open pass catcher. Like, what didn't or doesn't work here? Pre-snap motion to identify the defense. Nobody moves, they are in zone. Josh's zone read is to his right. He is open. Josh looks left. Some of the mesh concepts ran right into the teeth of the defense, but it also left Kincaid alone on the perimeter. I find it a struggle to question the entirety of the play when we aren't even operating within the basics. Come at me when Josh looks right, Kincaid is covered and the rest of the field is blanketed. Otherwise the play had a check and an outlet for the defense they were facing.

I feel like C1 recently did the same with a catchy title, but then didn't actually provide any evidence to support the title. Nobody watched/listened. And it just became a circus. It has just become the most casual and generalized talking point. I don't understand how calling a play with the right checks to identify the defense, and the right route concept is called to beat the defense pre-snap, then the QB doesn't even look in that general direction, and the everybody's go to is the entire offensive design? Like what else do we want? I am open to talking about maybe running the ball or a sneak seeing as how well the OL was playing. Maybe talk about rolling Josh out and make the defense defend his legs. But ultimately the QB didn't understand the defense and where to go with the ball based on it. Dorsey isn't getting anything out of Allen. We need to move on and that is OK. I don't mind it. Josh Allen has to be the priority. But also it is like everything that happens is getting pushed on Dorsey, even when it works. After last night, I am actually coming around to thinking that McD is the issue here and as things get worse, the reigns get tighter. The tighter the reigns the worse Josh gets. And now we are in this cycle. Dorsey called a great game vs the Jets, Raiders and Dolphins. The Washington game was OK. Like WTF is going on here?