Mango

For whatever reason people have started to use WR3 as the starter in the slot and the backup outside interchangeably. But like I said above, if believe that if we use our slot guys (Kincaid, Shakir, Cook) effectively Gabe Davis is an OK guy on the outside to stretch the field and run a lot of deep routes. I think there is talent in the group. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t try to upgrade him. I would. I’d most definitely take somebody high in the draft.

A big part of Shakir’s upside has always been his versatility to play inside and out. Shakir should have always been in the slot, even going back to last year. He gives us a lot of wiggle room to move Diggs around as well. I think part of the problem is we keep (kept?) trying to replace Beasley with McKenzie and Harty. When we need a guy who was crisp with good hands. The more teams respect some of our slot guys like Shakir, Cook, and Kincade, the bigger games Diggs and to an extent Davis will have. When teams key in on Kincaid/Shakir underneath is when we should expect a big game from Davis. Which honestly, is perfect for him and us.

People are looking at the final catches and yards, but relative to all of our pass catchers he was the most targeted one on the team tonight. He just didn’t do much with it. It happens. I was happy with the production from the offense today. Sure you’d like some more splash from Diggs/Davis. But games like this where all sorts of guys are catching TD passes will make it easier for those guys if we can commit to throwing to anybody and everybody who is open. Diggs will ball, I’m not concerned. Great game from the offense today.

So I agree. I guess I might be being a bit pedantic. To me that falls more into the offense having a better flow to. Which I totally agree with. Where as I interpreted the OP as saying “see we ran Josh. We never run Josh”. When in reality we gave home 1-2 designed runs, which is fairly normal for us on a weekly basis.

Oh totally. You can’t have your best night every night. More of a game note and not a “Diggs sucks/is washed” comment.

Josh had a great game. Brady was able to get this team flowing. Something Dorsey couldn’t do, at least as of late. Big credit to both those guys tonight. I think this move was a good decision. But the “look what happens when you let Allen run” thing doesn’t fit here. He was 5/15 tonight. His game logs the rest of the season are 6/36 3/7 3/46 4/17 4/14 2/11 7/17 7/41 8/44 4/14 I am not trying to get into a Dorsey v Brady argument but I also think it’s important to note as well.

That hit will go down next year. I’d be shocked if he didn’t sign an extension.

My issue with him tonight was that he had 3 or 4 drops. And he ran a super lazy/slipping route in the third. I would normally not mention that route, but with the drops it wasn’t a good game for him at all.

Has anybody talked about Josh Allen and his turnovers?

The NHL has a real problem with uppers. Cocaine is rampant, maybe more so than any other league in the country. The hockey calendar is absolutely brutal. A lot of guys rely on it just to get through the season. Now it’s just sort of the new “it thing” in workouts. Right up there with everybody needing “pre work out” before their spin class or whatever. The average person who hits the gym, spin class, CrossFit 3-5 days per week sees no real benefit. That said, this whole thing is a nothing burger for Allen or the NFL.

I’m in until we’re officially out of it. The drought trained me well. I actually think the Bills have needed a come to Jesus regular season and come in hot for the playoffs. It feels like we’ve done some sleepwalking through the season the last few years. And come playoffs couldn’t fully flip the switch on. That said the offensive woes paired with defensive injuries aren’t exactly what I was hoping for. Here is to a 2007-esque Giants. Go on a run at the end of the season, steal a wild card, and win one!

For all the games that bounced between and OC or QB issue, the Jets game was an execution issue. The board was pretty much unanimous that the play call/game plan on the offensive side of the ball was fine.

It’s overboard. I’ve even bowed out of this one at this point. 🤣

Don’t forget Matt Barkley and Tanner Gentry. I think the org needs to pull some decision making back from Josh. That said, I have no idea how much say he has over all things Gabe Davis, draft, etc.

I don’t know man, I’m not here to be in a duck measuring contest. You can win, you’re a better Sabres fan. You’ve watched more games. I am not going to hijack this thread with how many games I’ve watched and not watched year by year with this franchise or my take on the state of the team. I’ll leave that at HF and SS. Moving on to the actual point of my comment…. None of that is what my comment was about. It was about fan engagement. I posit that because the Sabres stink and the Bills and Sabres share the same owner, that fan engagement is at much higher risk. The fact of the matter is that when it comes to championship hockey Buffalo, NY is a top 5 television market for the league. But because of historically bad ownership we have some of the lowest arena attendance in the league despite being a community that watches a lot of hockey, just not a lot of Sabres hockey. The Pegulas have trashed a thriving hockey market for the NHL. Sports fans in this town have already sharpened their pitch forks at the Pegula’s. They just need a reason to point them.

To add on, a lot of talk about Allen being lazy at times, as a guy whose been critical, there is definitely nuance. I don’t think he’s lazy, I think he just needs to be better in certain areas.

Yes at large a lot of things going into not running a lot of offensive plays. Not the least of which is not throwing the ball to the open receiver underneath, taking shots you don’t need to, and getting behind the sticks. I think he can have an issue outside of a single game, and that games announcers can be talking another the game they are watching in the moment. Warner and Brady would seem to agree.

One thing that seems to be flying under the radar is that McD seems to want to get Allen going on the ground. At this point it just feels like the entire org is gripping too tight the last few weeks. If they could relax a bit, maybe find some flow, things would be better.

You literally set a standard of 9 play drives being the marker. In the game the Manning’s were commenting on we had zero 9 play drives. That isn’t on the defense.

Or if the throw is late. I think Josh has away a gotten away with a lot of late throws/reads because of his arm strength. In general he has struggled on and off with regulating his arm. Early in his career his deep ball sucked because everything was on a rope.

That’s a good point. That hadn’t occurred to me. In general I think you back Allen in this fight, and it isn’t really close at all. But for the sake of this exercise let’s pretend it’s an Allen issue (it’s not) and look down the road. Unless McD hits on another QB in the next 3-4 years he’s likely out of a job because he failed the QB position. So even if you think you might have a guy who can play the position, then rally around the passer. It’s not like McD is Tomlin or Harbaugh. He hasn’t won a championship.

I had a buddy at the game who texted me something similar. That Josh was just blasting heaters with little touch all night and making it tough on receivers. I think Josh’s arm strength, or lack of control sometimes makes it tough on receivers. It isn’t just how hard the pass hits, but it’s the timing from release to hitting a guy in the hands too. When throws are fast balls and a little bit late all the time it makes timing catches difficult. All that said, ball hits you in the hands, catch it.

I think maybe there is a version of the simulation where we keep McD one more year, maybe two, but only if he can keep some control over the locker rooms . Josh Allen makes Buffalo appealing but a bunch of old players and no cap space make it tough to be super successful quickly. It might not be the worst idea to let McD ride out another season, but Beane is prepping for life without him in the 2024 draft with a heavy focus on offense. It may require even an official sit down about heirarchy. That also means a guy like Brady gets a full calendar as OC. Then in 2025 a new HC comes in with a load of money, a young roster, and a franchise QB. That person in theory could be Joe Brady if he gets this offense firing.

There has to be a better middle ground between what you’re saying and what others are saying. The Bills are 19th in the league in total offensive plays and half to 2/3rds of the league have had their bye. We are currently reaping some positive because of it. That ranking will likely get worse in a week or two. We’re struggling to sustain drives and not throwing the football to open receivers is a huge part of it. And frankly if running Josh more has to be the solution to not throwing the ball to open guys then he is really going to struggle to play the position into his 30’s when he loses a step or two. Hopefully Brady can get this offense humming and Allen finds his groove again. But it has to start with completing the plays that are there.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think some of it is Pegula fatigue. I know a few years ago I was down to watching maybe a dozen or two Sabres games per year. Not that it is a conscious decision, but if this franchise starts to pick up some of the same stench as the Sabres, the Pegula's have already trained the fanbase to bail. Granted the NFL is a different beast. it prints it's own money, the season is much much shorter, and your team basically plays a couple of Sundays per year at the same exact time on the same exact TV station, then they disappear for 8 months. But I do think ownership is part of some of the undercurrent. EDIT: That said. I don't miss Bills games. I don't leave games early.