Mango

I agree with just about all of it. Could not agree more that skill and development are impeded by the CBA. Take away almost all the padded practices for all I care. But these guys need to be in the facilities more. They need consistent coaching, S&C work, film review, route running, hand work for lineman, etc. There is no reason why these guys can’t be back in the building in shorts on May or June 1 for 30-40 hours per week. The 3 20 minute OTA’s are dumb. At the risk of splitting hairs, I do think that there is some responsibility from the league to remove dangerous plays. But I also think players have to protect themselves first. Just quibbling where we draw the line.

I get all of that. The kicker isn’t the arrest. It’s the bail. Granted I’m just a guy on the internet, but I am not sure you can be released on bail if you aren’t charged with a crime.

Right? It’s not like this is your mom talking about Zach Wilson? Amirite?

I think you’re over complicating this one. The Bills can certainly send him home with pay while he “sorts this one out” if we want to stay out keep out of that rabbit hole. You keep saying he hasn’t been charged with anything. But I’m unsure the police can require one to post bail to be released if there is no charge. My tinfoil hat says that the “there is no official charge” rhetoric is coming from Vons team and/or people in the peripheral of the NFL’s C-Suite as they work to make this whole thing go away….as they do. My guess is that the additional layer of this being done in a “no drop” state creates some additional wrinkles. But again, that all brings me back to the fact that I could not be held with bail without having been charged with a crime.

Don't mind me, it is the start of my work week too. Between this team, the Sabres, and how early it is getting dark, things have been pretty depressing. EDIT: But also WTF has nobody actually met with the media yet.

Super unsure what you are complaining about? You made a comment about McD giving them last week off and was getting them back on track this week. Like it was some inherently laxidazical approach specific to the Bills. I made reference to the fact that the CBA mandates that that is the way teams are required to approach the bye week. I am fairly certain they were in the building today. Unsure about yesterday. Tuesday is generally the start of the week for nearly all NFL teams/players.

It just feels like the loudest silence. It’s been a long 10 or so days since anybody in the org has been in front of a mic or camera. A lot to discuss: - the playoff picture overall - what happened in Philly. - @KC is always circled on everybody's cameras. - the abusive elephant in the room, Von Miller. All that, and no media days. An eventful bye week. I assume this is a joke. The CBA doesn’t allow any franchise to do anything other than what you laid out.

Way to tie this weeks threads together. Haha. But given the playoff implications and all the Von news, it’s been a long time since anybody has been in front of a mic.

When is the next media day for the team? They should be back in the building today, right?

You have certainly provided more value than I ever could, but that is my take as well. The game is more complex than we give it credit for. Most routes have some variability based on coverage and leverage. Maybe we have more, I don't know. By my eye test it doesn't seem like we have a full standard deviation more.

One thing to note about the percentages on the NYT tool is that when you select the Bills to win out, it only calculates odds for those results. It isn't "smart" in that it doesn't assume any data you don't give it. So if you have the Bills win out they have 11 wins to everybody else in the leagues 10 or less. Once you start mapping the other games the Bills playoff chances start to drop drastically.

He shouldn't be allowed in the building. He is going to be inactive, sure. But he should be told to just stay home at this point.

The team can suspend him and I hope they do. No need to have him in the building.

If you aren’t calling that holding the other 4.5 quarters you can’t call that holding at that point in the game.

It wasn’t even two trainers. It was a trainer and a security guard. I had to double check this was a home game for them and not Mike Brown cutting costs in CIN.

Why isn’t Lawrence on a cart. That’s crazy.

The core has run out of tread. Time to get younger and cheaper as the bill comes due for Allen and Diggs. I hope we don't restructure any/many more contracts this offseason. Restock the shelves in 2024. We have some relief to shuffle the core around after that.

Maybe we can win this one in overtime!

Sweet. It took Deshaun Watson exposing himself to dozens and dozens and dozens of women and the first ever full guaranteed contract to have that clause. If Cleveland pulls the trigger and ever has the ability to void his deal it will be the first time it has ever happened across the league. For the 1000000th time. The league has viewed Miller as one of the good guys until last week. He has been pushed on fans everywhere as a stand up guy. While I think the guy sucks as a human, his dropped DV charge and positive steroid test is basically the cost of admission to even play in the NFL. No team would ever put that in their contract for a guy like Von, and Von would never sign it. The situation Watson was in at the time of signing is night and day to Von when he signed in Buffalo. Any voidable language due to off field behavior is exceedingly rare, and to your point, only present in the leagues most rare cases. Until the other day Von Miller was a choir boy by NFL standards. The only cap relief we will get will be from league intervention or Von Miller renegotiating some sort of retirement or injury buy out.

This kind of idea is a totally revisionist. Von has always been pushed as one of the stand up, nice guys in the league. Before this he wouldn’t have made the top 100 individuals across the NFL, and after this he likely still doesn’t make the top 10. Based on all that, saying any team would make Von Miller the first ever player to have a voidable contract based on off field behavior is a total pipe dream that only happens here and on Twitter. The only way out of the Von contract is to get some help from the league or for Miller to work on a retirement/injury settlement. That’s it.

I’ve been saying for a while the Bills have been kicking the van down the road for too long. Every year they keep doing this they set themselves up for a bigger reset year. We’re one of the oldest and most expensive teams in the league. Those two things don’t often pair well together.

The worst part of the contract is the restructure after the ACL tear. On March 13, 2023 we restructured a huge contract on an old pass rusher just after ACL surgery without seeing him practice. Without that restructure the Bills could have saved money by moving on after the season.

Rodgers renegotiating his own contract is way different. As far as I know there is no contract in league history that was every voided based on any morality or behavior clauses. Like I said early Hernandez, Ruggs, AP, Vick, all carried cap hits for their teams. My best guess is Von retires and negotiates some sort of settlement. But the idea that Von signed a contract up front that would void his entire deal based on off field behavior is a pipe dream. It’s never happened…ever.

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1 She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger. https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0 Is there a source on this? Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first.

There isn’t a whole lot of history of NFL contracts being voided or having relief based on off field behavior. People keep saying this like it’s common place and it’s not. Teams eat contracts and cap dollars all the time when players turn out to be total POS. Best bet for cap relief is for Von to retire, take a cap friendly buyout, and disappear silently.