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The fact that Mahomes is saying "how can you throw that flag for Offside" when they Chiefs have been the butt of jokes/memes across the league with Jawaan Taylor commits a false start on like 40% of offensive plays is absolutely bonkers. Not to mention the "worst call I have ever seen". I know this sounds like homer-ism, but the intentional grounding on the Allen horse collar was maybe the most gaslighted I have ever felt in my entire life. Allen was out of the tackle box AND he had Gabe Davis near the ball. Even if it wasn't a horse collar it wasn't intentional grounding either.

Meh it is fine. I am more letting you two argue about this one. This is the sort of thing I will rally around in a loss "or string of losses" or a critique when the team is winning a lot, but also misfiring a lot. Today I am happy to be alive.

I find the talk of not calling the play because it effects the highligt reel infuriating. Like what? You can't throw a flag on a blatant call because Travis Kelce needs to be able to have this play as part of his legacy? That is insane. The league needs full time officials.

Unsure what I am supposed to suss out. I said the conversation around this game would be drastically different if not for the Offside. Specifically Allen not seeing Davis wide open. You said it should be around the defense allowing KC to score. @Beck Water is saying that two things can be true at one time.

I agree they struggled with the pressure and were certainly out of sync. Second half gave me Dorsey vibes. But I don’t think they went conservative at all. In fact I thought they were trying too hard to make something big happen.

The talk today would have been a lot different had KT wasn’t offside. The conversation today would have been about that missed TD to Davis. We never should have been in position where that lateral mattered. Special game ball to Frank Wycheck for not letting this happen to Buffalo twice.

My quick $0.02 is that it started after the INT. The very next offensive play was an ill advised throw down field to a well covered Dawson Knox. Then 3-4 head scratching shovel passes. We struggled in the passing game to get the WR involved. All in all I think we just started to grip too tight and do too much.

QB play was certainly hectic in the second half.

My quick $0.02 is that the QB was struggling as the second half progressed. Didn’t see Davis. 2, 3, maybe 4 poorly advised shovel passes; it was imperative to get Josh efficient. We tried running a bunch and we’re getting stuffed. We needed to run Cook more earlier in the game. This felt like a Dorsey-esque game to me.

It’s bonkers. Between DV and their pretend management of concussions, it’s getting tough to swallow.

The league is showing domestic violence commercials during the 1pm games and the Bills are dressing Von Miller. Good luck out there guys.

“In this business, it doesn’t take long to go from Bono to Bozo. So don’t get your head too big right now.” - John Mara, referring to Brian Daboll on Sirius XM

Don’t shoot the messenger. Nationally we are no longer the lovable Bills. We’ve gone from “If my team can’t do it I want the Bills to win” and “The Bills are my spirit animal”…to “eff those guys.” And “what a joke”. And it’s not just fans of the Eagles or in the division.

I was reaaaaallllly hoping that all the gaffes this week would be righted with Von watching this one at home. Between Von, Beane’s doubling down on his character, McD’s 9/11 speech, Lawson getting into it with fans, and Kelce calling out Phillips, the Bills are no longer the fun and feel good team to root for. Not necessarily speaking for the Bills fan base. I mean from the outside in, other forums have started to turn their perception of this team.

Per some internet attorney bail can be required in two situations: - When somebody is charged with a crime - Somebody is arrested without a warrant. Von had a warrant. So he would fall into option 1. In general when one is arrested without a warrant it is at the scene of a crime. Like if Von was at the home after the 911 call. Or if you got pulled over going 100 mph down the 290. I’ve seen the line Beck posted and read it a number of times the last week or so. It does not answer the question asked. The league certainly has enough teeth to suspend Von. They are being purposefully pedantic for their own benefit. Some posters are defending it. I would be thrilled if the Bills made the SB and Von was put on the exempt list early in the new year, missing his 3rd ring.

A magistrate is a judge, so start there. Von saw a judge. Yes, you can be arrested without a charge. I believe I addressed that in my post. Bail is allowed to be set in two instances, 1. Arrested with a warrant. 2. Arrested at the scene of a crime without a warrant. Von had a warrant. Then saw a judge who set bail. It is so odd that you are so hell bent on making sure everybody understands whatever pedantics that the league is trying to sell to prevent outrage and prevent their own further litigation with Von.

Yes you can be arrested without being charged. You seem to be doubling down on arrest v charges and leaving out bail. The argument for whether or not Von has been charged is being argued by the only people it matters to, the leagues attorneys. Which is sort of what my friend at the DA’s office was getting at. If the league wanted, Vons arrest has enough teeth to elicit a suspension. Full stop. But you keep arguing that people need to understand the difference. And they don’t. If this were your neighbor on your left you wouldn’t go to the neighbor on your right with “well no; check out this link, Joe hasn’t officially been charged even though the police were here, an arrest warrant was issued, and he posted bail. So why don’t we pop over for his Memorial Day BBQ”.

FWIW #1- I spoke to a friend in the DA’s office today and basically simplified it to. “If you have a warrant and you’re released on bail you have a charge. If prosecution wants to go sit in front of a judge and trial is a different story”. FWIW #2 - I jumped into a legal subreddit to ask this question and somebody responded that in Texas penal procedure authorizes bail in two situations. - Someone is charged with a crime - Someone who was arrested without a warrant. Von had a warrant, was not arrested at the scene of the crime. So a charge would need to be present. I the league is purposely muddling the situation so they don’t have to act. If the Bills do have an out in his contract like some have rumored, voiding $17M will be a historical move and likely trigger further litigation for the league. Add in it being for a first ballot HOF’er, and it is beneficial for the league to be intentionally pedantic.

Ross was charged with a misdemeanor.

I’m failing to see how these Von Millers story is much different than this? On October 23 Ross thought his GF was cheating on him. Broke some stuff. Told her to leave. Shoved her. Released on $2500 bail. Suspended 6 weeks until his hearing on Dec 4. https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article281640478.html

The insinuation that talking about Pegula is off limits because the Bills are still here is silly and unfair at best. Where does it start and end? Imagine if the Bills hired renowned international futbol manager Ralph Kruger and went 4-13. But hey, this team could be playing in San Antonio, so STFU.

Oh totally, I wanted to start the reload last year, but the FO wanted to take one more go at it with the old guys. I get it. With the way this year is going, I think the Bills could maybe be 2 years behind KC going forward. In all honesty, that might not be the worst thing to ever happen. Being a little off cycle from Mahomes and Reid could be good.

If this was internal why wouldn't they wait until after a loss removes the Bills from playoff contention? Why the week before KC? Hell, even if the Bills won the Super Bowl and you released this in March it wouldn't be the craziest thing that has ever happened to remove McD because of it. But if the Bills win the SB this year, and McD gets fired in 6 months because of this article it will be a really deep PR hole to crawl out of. If the FO thought the timing of this was good we should clear house top to bottom.

The Bills and Chiefs are on similar roster timelines. The Chiefs started their roster reset last year, to which their rookie class way over achieved. This year they are still contenders but have gotten closer to average production from some of those guys. When you pay the QB position (which you must), you have to retool every once in a while when the bill comes do. Which Mahomes is and Allen's is about to.

It is a message board dude. People are talking. That is it. I certainly didn't present it is gospel. No need to take shots.