Mango

I think the point is when you get out played you commit more penalties to try and get by.

i wish this was a few weeks ago, that way we could have stood a chance against watt oh good, i was hoping for another thread to be hijacked as anti EJ

Evidence, see Russ Brandon as GM era

Drunk

So just looking at the OP's post. How can the line only fail/have forced errors of 13 when the QB hit total is 16? If we are working in percentages, that means you're off by (math in head) 24-25ish % when it comes to forced errors.

Drunk

The game plan will be the same as last week. Keep the QB alive.

He was mediocre to terrible as a HC. The previous are OC jobs. Bridgewater looked pretty ready to play this past weekend. There is a big difference between not running every first down and throwing the ball 44 times with a rook No this OL on its best day is average. Best day.

I am not necessarily clamoring for the kid to stay in, it hasn't been pretty. But I think we are totally underestimating the beating this kid took all game. The OL should be ashamed. The guy was beaten up out there. Hit every 2 and change drop backs. There is a different between the OL not protecting well and what happened in Houston. When you are getting hit nearly every other drop back, the whole clean pocket thing barely exists as a thing. If Brady can't perform with the pressure from KC, hows a kid who played 14 games supposed to handle it. The idea he doesn't stand in the pocket and deliver the ball doesn't make sense to me. He got hit 16 times and sacked only twice with that kind of pressure. Isn't that nearly by definition standing in the pocket and delivering the ball. The kid took an AP like beating out there. I generally like the all 22, this one not so much. We are going to say the big plays missed are Watkins on a crossing route where he was bumped off his route. Not taking a shot at Sammy deep with a Safety over the top (he doesn't come under Sammy until after EJ goes underneath, going to Woods when he is given a huge cushion underneath (granted he got worked), Then not looking for Sammy on a slant, who Joe B says broke off his called route, when the play was a screen to Fred, who said that the Texans gave the look they where looking for, for the play they wanted to run. My guess is the other really errant throws that are mentioned in the first two pages, while terrible passes, involve the QB getting lit up like a Christmas tree. Boy really proved a point, if those are the most glaring mistakes that JW can find with a clean pocket, so be it.

Videos of Munch, Billick, and an NFL insider all basically saying this isn't a move with long term thought in place and was for win now. But what do the Bills do next year now? Going back to EJ is tough. Most didn't necassarily say it was a bad move, but were very surprised and kind of questioned it. Billick said Marrone made the move to basically keep his job next year. Ladanian Tomlinson said EJ sucks. Most reports from the NFL guys, Kirwan, Billick, and Munch, all seem to be questioning the move.

CJ being retained will be dependent on coaching staff. If Hackett is retained, might as well let him walk. If we keep Marrone and get another OC, who knows. Same with a HC replacement. Brown looks like his replacement, but not just that, it saves us a draft pick

CK is the worst part of the Watkins trade. We'd all feel better/ok with it if we either just gave up last years second or found a more immediate impact there.

This is the proper way for a GM to manage. Make it clear you (Whaley) has the power to make any and all personnel decisions, but for the most part you let the HC make the decisions. While you clearly state the goals, objectives, and expectations of the HC. You also make it clear that when you make a roster decision that you don't agree with, be prepared to come under fire or lose your job.

I'm what some around here would call an EJ apologist, and think he gets too much of the blame, but deserves blame none the less. However he has his deficiencies and think he is indeed a project that needs patience. I am not thrilled with the benching. 14 games isn't enough. Pat Kirwan eluded to something similar. That doesn't put them blame squarely on either. They make eachother look worse. However one (Hackett) is more or less in a relatively high level management position so I am less willing to look past his deficiencies. I still don't understand your line of thinking. I think it is far to simplistic for a very intricate and complicated game. Just because one sucks doesn't mean the other is good.

Not sure I totally get what you're saying. I wish Marrone would bail on Hackett. Not sure I see how you get to that point. My line for Pegula himself actually wanting to fire Marrone is 9 wins. 8 gets muddy. I would be willing to bet Pegula keeps Marone if we are 9-7. Not saying I agree with that, but I think that's most likely. If he gets 9 games he will be on the chopping block the next year and on a short leash. Any and all regression from that point would be held against him, and rightfully so. I think Hackett is dunzo this season regardless. To retain Hackett we probably need 10 wins, a playoff appearance and/or playoff win. He will be rightfully scapegoated this year to give Marrone one more shot. That is if Marrone puts employment over loyalty. If he doesn't, they both get the boot. I don't totally agree with all of this, but just what I think will be the most likely scenario.

I'm one of those whipped puppies. I agree with and support this post

My big worry now is that I saw KC as a winnable game. Now I don't want to think about it. Obviously you take the divisional win over the conference but I have the fear that Brady will return to form in week 6 and we get routed. Just history I guess.

Could it be Jimmy Garoppolo? But seriously.... Now I want to cry again.

I had this convsation with somebody just yesterday. No way the Bills beat SD without a top 5 QB. SD was polite with that win and could have scored at a whim.

Byrd isn't playing well, and AW has been maybe our most productive player

Hiring the wrong guy for the job, doesn't mean the position itself is flaud.

If you want to have dialogue. That's probably not the best way to start. Makes you sound foolish and uneducated. So I stopped reading after stupid. I have little patience for shite like that.

There was a some bonkers stat from the first quarter. Something 7 drop backs, 2 sacks, and 4 QB hits. That's insane. Considering that was basically the entire game, he did OK. I give EJ a C- today. He fixed the most glaring issue with his game from last week and the pressure. Missed some plays for sure. Played tough in tough conditions, some missteps from the WRs.

I was proud of EJ today.ast week the pressure rattled him and he played awful all game. Yes he left plays out there, but the kid got knocked around stood strong and delivered some quick balls and the WRs didn't help bail him out. This game is as much on Ej as it is the OL and WRs. The kid made the adjustment for his biggest issue and his young wr corp did little to nothing to help him out. I think posters are underestimating the beating the kid took.

Fred Jackson on the O for sure. QB was not great. WRs dropped passes, OL was terrible. I will say that compared to last week EJ had way more pressure and less protection in Houston. I was actually impressed with his ability to stand in the pocket, take the hit, and deliver tha ball quickly. There were about 6 plays where Chandler and the receiving corps did not back him up. Other than that correction by EJ and Freddy the offense was under whelming as a whole