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I don't disagree with you. But I think that assuming CJ had been anything more than OK in this offense and pounding it between the tackles is revisionist history. If we keep using CJ the way we used him pre-injury, then yes I expect unspectacular results, and hope for mediocre. The offense needs another playmaker. CJ can be that guy, if we put him in positions to make plays. Obviously. The offense is terrible, but remember when we'd pound him between the tackles for a loss of two, then a gain of 2, and be left at 3rd and 10. Or all the blitz pickups he misses. CJ is a player in this league, but not in the role we continue to use him as. Having CJ back in Chan form, then that is a HUUUUUGE gain for us. Using CJ like we did in the first part of the season, a waste of talent and production. That is all I am saying. At least we minimize our negative plays with out him, so even a conservative 3.0 yards per carry from or backs, and not taking any loss of yards, is better than what we got out of CJ, with a loss of 3, loss of 1, gain of 1, gain of 2, then a big 20 yarder. I respect the big play, however because our O is so bad, we can't ever afford loss of yardage. Ever. Again fan of CJ's abilities, just hasn't worked out in this offense this season. Maybe that will change since our O-line has progressed a bit (still not good) as the season has gone on.

This is actually concerning to me. The run game has been at its best the past few weeks. I hope we don't just keeping Spiller for a loss all game long. If we are gonna pound the rock like that, we only need Fred, Boobie, and Bryce.

So you're sayin start EJ after the raiders game? Jeez way to hijack the thread, let's keep this to the topic. /s

A few things. First off this is how Steve Johnson has basically made a career in freelancing routes. Secondly, yes receivers have to make reads pre snap, same as the OL, RB, and QB. Yes sometimes WR's will run different routes based on coverage reads. But more commonly it will be smaller adjustments looking for the soft spots in the D. So depth of route changes based on the read, when to make your cuts, whether the WR comes inside or outside. So on a post, Chandler makes a decision on when to cut that route in based on what he sees from the Safety and the LB. On a similar point to the OP, Rich Gannon was really hard on our receivers the other night for the exact same thing posted here. He said that they were a talented group but were making a lot of wrong reads and running a lot of poor routes given the situation. People here took it as Orton love. I didn't really get that at all, I thought he was hyper just hyper critical of the WR corps. By no means did it seem like a free pass for Orton.

I am a pretty big forgiven. Guns, weed, fights. Whatever, come play good football here. Abuse women and children, and stay the eff out of my city. So no to Rice, AP, and Raplisburger.

Do you live in NC?

It also helps that Brady is slightly less super human on grass versus turf.

I've been saying this for a while now, but I don't think Brees and Peyton can both be hall of fame. They've already missed the playoffs once recently (I know Peyton suspension) but if they miss it again to a team with a losing record, I can't rationalize it. Pairing a HOF HC and QB should never miss the playoffs. See Patriots.

I've noticed a that we slip a bunch at home. Sammy more than others, but we do. Regardless of the Pegula's meddling or lack there of, this is a pro in having them. I'd like a new field. Id actually like to go to grass. Less injuries.

Am I the only one who isn't excited to have Spiller back. Is our running game any worse without him? I'd rather just stick with the three we have.

I think Marrone gets unfairly shafted in public opinion. While I am no huge fan of his. He has t done anything worth firing as of yet. Hackett on the other hand...

Vagina

The most upsetting thing to me about it is, not its validity as a philosophy, but rather it's a lie. He is just covering his ass trying to take credit (which he deserves as hc) for the only bright spot on the team. If Marrone was so I vilbed with the defense first, why are the last 2 years philosophies so different? Just trying I save face, and take the distraction at how bad his personally coached OL and offense are.

The one time Freddy is open underneath....

The only rolling I've seen Orton do is on the ground

I feel not good about this if we can't put up any points on the next possession

Getting that feeling....and I already pooped

Washington has 3 QBs better than Orton, STL 2, and Arizona 2 maybe 3. He is brutal.

Can we close that thread on how tough the defenses Orton has played now. Because this is brutal

Can we close that thread on how tough the defenses Orton has played now. Because this is brutal

The truth in that is really disheartening

All we needed to do was not that. Hooray!

I'm super pumped we are getting lee smith involved

Not to mention Fred was fleeced with 2 defenders

Sammy wide open and terrible throw