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I don't know. The past few weeks I have seen a bunch of screens or wheel routed to hogan, and my next thought is, why doesn't thay go to Watkins.

I dont care who we put behind center right now, EJ, Tuel, FJ, whatever it has to be more productive than this.

If Baltimore loses today it means Cinci can win. Today is simple in what we need. Baltimore losing would open up a ton of options. Way more complicated but gives us more options

JJ Watt was looking pumped in the pregame, but steroids will do that

What's the payoff on a parlay on this

False. If that happens Baltimore needs to lose to Houston. Not likely since they might as well play with Timmy Tebow. Bills still very much alive. Our best shot is KC losing to Pitt, then beating SD. Which both are possible. Bills win out, and we aren't asking for anything super crazy. EDIT: Forgot to mention Cincy losing out

And he didn't even hit a home run. More like a double or a triple. That's if you can cross compare sports. Haha.

Just one? What about when we use our waterbug back as a power rusher and he loses yards at least 5 times. Or the safe bet, rushes for less than 2 yards more often than not. Or how about every time it's 3rd and 8 after a spiller handoff we come back. Some of us will have far more posts than the other. It's like a QB throwing for 250 yards, 1 TD, 3 ints but one of those is a 90 yard reception. Then coming back and saying boy oh boy, our QB was really efficient. I guess that is the rigt description, CJ is not efficient and does not make the most of his carries. By the way most of your posts make very little sense. There's the really good X's and O's people, then there is the opinions, which are valid. I can reply or PM people I disagree with, because their thoughts are linear and pragmatic. You my friend just seems like a guy banging his head into things for fun. I don't get where your coming from, posts don't need to be littered with schemes and stats, but you have literally added nothing to the conversation. It's like talking to my grandfather. Don't age that way man, you're better than that. This is where you and I go our separate way mrags, and I converge with Jaybee. The guy with room and momentum can make people miss. I don't think he has elite speed, but the dude can shake and bake for sure. Infact I think he's so good at it, that that's why he can run effectively in tight spaces, because he thinks he can always break it....then we all know how that goes. He doesn't, then instead of not just breaking it, he puts the rest of the offense in a bad spot on the next down. It's maddening that he keeps doing it, and it's twice as maddening that the staff keeps asking him to.

Well the personal attack wasn't necassary. But if You'd like to add something other than insults, that'd be great, and appreciated. I think you are confusing the lack of excitement of Spiller being back as an indictment on his skill level. We all know he CAN BE a player. However he hasn't been productive in his role on the team. That is the criticism. There is nothing to suggest that in the past two seasons, he is a game changer given how he is used. If anything the poster did opposite of cherry picking stats, ie overall numbers, and broke down to similar plays. Example: Ortons overall numbers are decent, but we can all agree he has been pretty bad as of late. So 4.2 yards per carry would be cherry picking, his yards each individual carry would be thurough. Game breaking ability, yes. Drive staller, also yes. We all get nervous when Orton has to convert a third and long. Consistently CJ will leave us there, where the three we have now leave us generally at 3rd and manageable. Something tells me that CJ doesn't DRASTICALLY change the NE gameplan. our own game planning keeps CJ in check enough that spending time on it would actually increase the possibility of leaving other guys open to make plays.

I don't disagree with you. But I think that assuming CJ had been anything more than OK in this offense and pounding it between the tackles is revisionist history. If we keep using CJ the way we used him pre-injury, then yes I expect unspectacular results, and hope for mediocre. The offense needs another playmaker. CJ can be that guy, if we put him in positions to make plays. Obviously. The offense is terrible, but remember when we'd pound him between the tackles for a loss of two, then a gain of 2, and be left at 3rd and 10. Or all the blitz pickups he misses. CJ is a player in this league, but not in the role we continue to use him as. Having CJ back in Chan form, then that is a HUUUUUGE gain for us. Using CJ like we did in the first part of the season, a waste of talent and production. That is all I am saying. At least we minimize our negative plays with out him, so even a conservative 3.0 yards per carry from or backs, and not taking any loss of yards, is better than what we got out of CJ, with a loss of 3, loss of 1, gain of 1, gain of 2, then a big 20 yarder. I respect the big play, however because our O is so bad, we can't ever afford loss of yardage. Ever. Again fan of CJ's abilities, just hasn't worked out in this offense this season. Maybe that will change since our O-line has progressed a bit (still not good) as the season has gone on.

This is actually concerning to me. The run game has been at its best the past few weeks. I hope we don't just keeping Spiller for a loss all game long. If we are gonna pound the rock like that, we only need Fred, Boobie, and Bryce.

So you're sayin start EJ after the raiders game? Jeez way to hijack the thread, let's keep this to the topic. /s

A few things. First off this is how Steve Johnson has basically made a career in freelancing routes. Secondly, yes receivers have to make reads pre snap, same as the OL, RB, and QB. Yes sometimes WR's will run different routes based on coverage reads. But more commonly it will be smaller adjustments looking for the soft spots in the D. So depth of route changes based on the read, when to make your cuts, whether the WR comes inside or outside. So on a post, Chandler makes a decision on when to cut that route in based on what he sees from the Safety and the LB. On a similar point to the OP, Rich Gannon was really hard on our receivers the other night for the exact same thing posted here. He said that they were a talented group but were making a lot of wrong reads and running a lot of poor routes given the situation. People here took it as Orton love. I didn't really get that at all, I thought he was hyper just hyper critical of the WR corps. By no means did it seem like a free pass for Orton.

I am a pretty big forgiven. Guns, weed, fights. Whatever, come play good football here. Abuse women and children, and stay the eff out of my city. So no to Rice, AP, and Raplisburger.

Do you live in NC?

It also helps that Brady is slightly less super human on grass versus turf.

I've been saying this for a while now, but I don't think Brees and Peyton can both be hall of fame. They've already missed the playoffs once recently (I know Peyton suspension) but if they miss it again to a team with a losing record, I can't rationalize it. Pairing a HOF HC and QB should never miss the playoffs. See Patriots.

I've noticed a that we slip a bunch at home. Sammy more than others, but we do. Regardless of the Pegula's meddling or lack there of, this is a pro in having them. I'd like a new field. Id actually like to go to grass. Less injuries.

Am I the only one who isn't excited to have Spiller back. Is our running game any worse without him? I'd rather just stick with the three we have.

I think Marrone gets unfairly shafted in public opinion. While I am no huge fan of his. He has t done anything worth firing as of yet. Hackett on the other hand...

Vagina

The most upsetting thing to me about it is, not its validity as a philosophy, but rather it's a lie. He is just covering his ass trying to take credit (which he deserves as hc) for the only bright spot on the team. If Marrone was so I vilbed with the defense first, why are the last 2 years philosophies so different? Just trying I save face, and take the distraction at how bad his personally coached OL and offense are.

The one time Freddy is open underneath....

The only rolling I've seen Orton do is on the ground

I feel not good about this if we can't put up any points on the next possession