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Bills fan here. Just wanted to share a story. I drew the short straw at half time to grab my friends and I food and drinks. I was walking back to my seats in a crowded causeway in the lower bowl, carrying 2 trays with 3 cheese steaks 2 coffees and 2 beers. The guy behind me kept shoving me. I turned around and asked him to stop, there was nowhere for me to go. Something I never do, but this was actual pushing/shoving. Not sure why he was doing this. Just a guy alone. He says, "talk to me again and I'll punch you" I turn around keep walking. He keeps pushing me. Again I say, "dude there is no where for me to go". He tells me he has a baby. I offer to let him go Infront if it's an emergency. He tells me no and I need to not be a kitty. Again if I turn around he'll punch me in the face. Finally we exchange words that I am doing the best I can but I am going to drop everything if he continues. His GF/Wife walks up to me and literally punches me in the face. My hands are full, I just go to my seat. A bunch of men and women step in to tell him he was out of line and so was his lady. I continue on my way to not be involved in any altercation. I don't have seasons but go to 4-6 games per year. I generally have overlooked people's complaints about game day experiences because I think a football game is sometimes a vulgar experience. In my life tailgating and going to games for the last 15 years, I've never experienced anything like this at the Ralph/New Era. It was absurd and unwarranted. I feel bad for this fan base on all sorts of levels. But this is what we've become. Might as well be the raiders with nonsense like this. Roasting and vulgarities at opposing fans. Getting physical with your own fan base, and even instigating it is poor character for us. I'm debating whether or not even going to the game is worth it at this point. I was offended, and disgusted. If there was security near by I would have absolutely reported it and had him ejected. Poor look for a new father. Note: I had a ton to do today. I didn't tailgate. I parked and met friends at the gate. I wasn't drinking. But it's really a sad day to see bills fans react this was especially with kids. And by kids I mean his baby was about 6 months old on a 50 degree rainy day.

I think they have saturated everything with football. There is so much of it on now, it is like trying to schedule a date on a Thursday, but the Sabres play. I always go on the date because there are a ton of other chances to watch hockey. I would drop the Thursday nights. Part of football's draw was that it only happened on basically 1 day per week, with a special Monday night. Now there are 3 (4 if you add in London) games Sunday, and sometimes 2 on Thursday and Monday. Missing football has now become easy because there is always more on. Add to that, that the game is so stop and start, it makes it easy to leave the game and watch something else. Watching on TV needs to be more fluid, and they need to reduce the amount of days they play per week. Also move Monday's and Thursdays off of ESPN/NFLN. Same thought as above. If I am a chord cutter (which there are a ton now), you miss both of those. It is easy to miss Sunday when you already missed the other two days.

I saw him bail on not getting hit no less than 3 times on Sunday. Agreed about Manning and Rivers to a certain extent. Where those two will throw the ball away, Tyron can take a 3rd and 20 and convert. Love that about him and that's not coachable. It is his athletic skill. What I am saying is, he bails on delivering the ball to an open receiver to save the contact. I understand it is not totally his nature or skip to pick apart defenses. What I am asking is to take the QB knock down and deliver the ball. What I see is a QB who senses or sees some pressure, and takes off, when there is absolutely an opportunity to complete a pass is all.

I am mad he doesn't do it, when the play is available, and he scrambles out of bounds, or scrambles for drastically less yards that the completition would be. I don't think he should always stay in the pocket. I am mad that he doesn't deliver the ball when the receiver is open, because he doesn't take a hit. There are times he buys more time with his legs, and there isn't a throw to be made. There are times, he bails on available throws instead of throwing the football. "I am not asking him to be a pure pocket passer". Because of his ability with his legs, he has has a skill set to be an opportunistic QB. If he has the opportunity to throw to an open receiver, and it means he takes a hit, he needs to do that as an NFL QB. If there is space to go, he needs to go. There are a lot of times, he uses his legs, when there isn't an opportunity for gains, and there is if he would throw the ball, regardless of what category he falls under as a "passer".

I mentioned this in another thread. Tyrod refuses to stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball AND take a hit. I noticed it a ton yesterday at the SF game. There were throws that could have been made yesterday, to receivers he saw, if he would just be willing to take a hit here or there. It is not so much he is skittish, or quick to run, or phantom pressure. He is affraid of the contact in the pocket, or at least refuses to take it. I am not asking him to stand in a take a beating, But on a 20 yard post, you have to sometimes take a lick for that play. Granted maybe he gets hurt, and a healthy Tyrod is easily better than no TT at all.

My first game of the season to attend. The thing I noticed most about Tyrod today, isn't the lack of going through progressions, or accuracy. I think his biggest downfall is being willing to plant his feet, deliver the ball, and take a hit on the defender. There were some opportunities, where he was looking at an open receiver, but bailed out on it. If he can stand in the pocket here and there, take the hit, and throw the ball, we will see more out of the offense.

They should adopt IOC/WADA/USADA rules. So you can smoke all the pot you want. Hell, I know athletes who had USADA knock on their door days after smoking. You can test positive out of competition all you want. Take the test with a joint in your hand. No big deal. But you absolutely cannot test positive for weed in competition. So smoke all you want, but gotta test clean at the World Champs or Olympics. I also like the idea of mandatory testing if you win your event/championship, with random testing through the season. So you win the superbowl, great!!! Nobody leaves the facility without being tested on the roster. Positive test and you're disqualified. It is how most sports testing is done.

Thanks Obama!

Agreed to an extent. I was in the wait and see crowd, but these 2 games have been brutal. His strengths are barely his strengths currently. His weaknesses are worse than they have been in the past. He just has yet to show that he can use the whole field, and move the ball methodically. If he were a rookie I would give him more time. But the fact is, he has been in the league, behind a Pro Bowler and Super Bowl Champ for 6 years. This is not like his "year two" but year 6 either. He should be playing at a much higher level. Like a 3-4 year starter, and he is not.

Point is though. I do not think Cardale is ready to be a back up at this point. I also do not see the Bills picking up Tyrod's option at this point. That means the future is in the draft, and we will HAVE to pick up a vet. We know what we have in EJ. He will win you right around 8 games per year +/-. Good leader. Does the work. Great Teammate. Vet will be on the roster max 2 years. EJ kind of fits that. THIS DOES NOT MEAN EJ IS THE FUTURE/ANSWER. He would just be a stop gap while we groom the rookie through his first year.

I am under no assumption that this could be some reclamation of EJ. Right now it is looking like the Bills will not pick up TT's option next year. In which case, we will need a vet to go into the season with, plus a rookie QB. Depending on who, and where that rookie is drafted, the vet signing will probably start the season. EJ wants to start in this league. Can play for us and keep us around 8-8 while the rookie learns. He would come probably pretty cheap, on what I would do as a 2 year deal, with the second year being a voidable option.

I don't think any FO is going to hitch their wagons to Tyrod based on what we would have to pay him after this season. EJ might not want to stay, but it could possibly be his best chance at starting in the NFL in 2017. I think EJ would probably end up starting next year allowing a rookie to develop for a year or two. I don't know how many situations in the league have EJ legitimately competing to be the starter. That said, the market for a veteran QB, a position we have to fill next year, the cupboards are very bare. Unless we hitch our wagons to Cousins for huge cash, and he is the guy of the future, I doubt we even sniff it. This! The point of the thread isn't, "See EJ is the man" or "Finally EJ is ready to take the reigns. He is just the stop gap, while we properly bring along a rookie. It could be done cheap and fulfill a temporary need for both teams.

I agree generally. However, we have to add 2 more. 1 vet, 1 draft pick. Here is the list of what is coming available next year, assuming we do not wheel and deal for anybody. Looking at the list, and assuming the rest of the year is a total disaster, I think this scenario is entirely plausible.

Just thinking about it... - Worst case scenario. We see more of the same from Tyrod. We don't pick up our option after this year. - We have no QB on the roster at that point. - Will probably need to develop a rookie behind somebody for the next year or two. - Could sign a different vet, for the same money to a 2-3 year deal. - EJ is already here and looking for an opportunity to start, to play for starting QB money in the near future (not that he will ever actually get that, but that is his and his agents hope) - His best situation to start may actually be in Buffalo. We could sign a worse journeyman/back up for more money than EJ on a 2 year deal. Thinking 2 years at 6-8 mil total gets it done. Afterwards, the draft pick takes the reigns, EJ signs his next contract with a different team.

This is absurd. Yes we need some better coverage LB's to deal with Gronk. But nobody in the NFL has been able to nuetralize him in god knows how long. Your "short corner" narrative is just as silly. Our top 2 are 5'11. That isn't "short for the CB position. There are guys who have played well at much shorter. Are they Sherman height...no...but almost none are. Cromartie and Peterson come close. Revis is right around 6 foot. You also failed to note that these same corners handled Thursday's same receivers just fine. You're on a crusade. Just stop. Other posters are right. The defense that WHALEY ASSEMBLED was great. He was asked to by the coaching staff, with the approval of ownership, to lose some pieces, to add more scheme specific ones. I won't like it if Whaley is fired, because honestly, there is a very good chance we downgrade. But I will understand cleaning house. My perfect situation is, Whaley has full confidence control over the new HC. He has yet to make his own hire. Rex was a Pegula-Brandon hire.

Professional athletes throw up all the time It is your bodies response to your heart rate being too high. In some cases it is from pushing "too hard" and in some cases it is a case of just fitness. Not surprising that maybe some out of shape guys are in the August heat in Miami, get some of the dry heaves.

I want this to be true so badly!

A huge part of feeling remorse, is taking responsibility for as long as it takes (or is worth it to you), to maintain those relationships. I have a special dislike for men who abuse women (probably more than a lot of others), but I am glad he continues to attempt to pay his dues. It would be a real shame if his response was "I have done all I can, and apologized, somebody should sign me"

Really great interview. Well spoken. HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD about how to handle interpersonal relationships. Really good for him. It isn't BS, people who don't think that way, can't even string some of those sentences together, regarding making mistakes and responsibilities. Now a really big fan of this guy.

I would really like to see Dareus at DE. I know our last venture into the 3-4 was an utter disaster, but one of the stars in it, I believe, was KW at NT. I know it is not popular, but I think the Dareus will be much better than KW at DE, better than the difference between KW and MD at NT. I think he can hold that role well enough in the defense Rex likes to run.

Have you been to a Phish, Dead, Moe., Gov Mule, Umphrey's show ever......because it sounds like you haven't. It is a pretty well behaved event, all things considered.

This is so inherently false it actually makes me angry. Fitness and injury are two very very different things. Especially in explosive track and field events. Can they correlate in some instances, yes, but is this by any means a rule. Not even close.

The real question is, is starting Geno worth the 12 million dollars in savings?

The cringe is strong on this one