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In another thread it was "rumored" that Hughes, a 2nd, and a 4th get us Alex Smith and C.West. I am torn. Upgrade at QB, but like you said front 7 could change this defense, and team completely. Not sure how losing a 2nd/draft capital and our best pass rusher helps that. Especially with all our needs. QB, RB2, DT1, DT2 (I think KW returns to a team friendly contract but limited role), CB2/3, MLB, SLB, WLB, RT, RG. WR. Just seems like creating a hole for an upgraded QB, but not a long term answer because of age.

This is also a pro personnel move, and finding guys from other rosters who fit well with what we do/did, was what Whaley was absolutely best it. It is fair to give him some credit I think.

Huh? Not really sure here....and I hate the phins as much as the next guy. Cutler has a tendency to be a turnover machine, and his last throw of possibly his career was off the hands of a DB. Gase will be there next year, and needs to see his back up QB play, which I think is fair. Fales also played pretty well, all things considered. Dude went for it on 4th. Doesn't this board get mad when we don't? I don't get it. I thought it was ballsy. They were down, and looking for a spark. The kid was playing pretty well too. That helps. What was he supposed to do during or after the brawl? Seriously, what? Sit them down, explain to them what they did, and why it was wrong? Take away their Xbox for a week? Marvin Lewis continues to put Burfict on the field, lead the league in offseason arrests, and is the HC of what is considered the dirtiest team in the NFL. So don't come here and start rattling off a bunch of BS about organizational classiness because Dalton made a play that helped us.

I know Choadprick Bay Choad mentioned it in another thread, but curious on the boards opinions of Downing and/or Tice coming into Buffalo for Dennison and/or Castillo

I am a big Phil Rivers fan. I think he is a tremendous talent, who keeps playing on very bad rosters (with the exception of the Marty Ball years). If we were not in, they would have been my playoff team (had they made it)

I like the white on blue...but... We just won with the white on white throwbacks. Jags going all black. Would be awesome if we wore white on white, throwback or current.

But Jeff Fisher couldn't. Probably another 8-8 season. Ha. Jeff Fisher is the Lindy Ruff of the NFL. "Take a 10 goal scorer and make them a 20 goal scorer. Take a 40 goal scorer, make them a 20 goal scorer"

Apologies, I missed the 2nd post on it. TT's top two receivers are exactly the same as last year. Clay and Shady. So I am not sure I buy that argument. Sammy was never really utilized either. What is really concerning looking at the numbers is that catch% seems to be way down. Shady is down 10% points alone. Kind of weird. I don't have an answer, but curious of others thoughts on that. 2016 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm 2017 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017.htm

This is not drilled down enough to really tell a story. What is our 3rd down conversation rate at 3rd and 5 or 6+, on clear passing downs? Just my guess, but TT is not effective at converting 3rd and mid or longer comparatively to the rest of the league. The same as he isn't good with playing from behind. He does not excel in clear passing situations.

This is always weird to me. We got worked by SD in the trenches and their D. Highly doubt we would have won. The other night would have been win and in had we not looked like garbage against a bad Bengals team early in the year. To me this is the game everybody should be looking at as a head scratcher.

Agreed. I’m not a huge TT fan. But not a total hater either. Unless he has a sub 150 yard game, Buffalo stays the course, but still picks up a QB with one of their first 2 or 3 picks. Won’t move up in the first for a QB. Maybe a DT or LB, but not a QB in the first.

Outside of Pittsburgh and NE, I don’t think there is a clearly better team between Buffalo, Jacksonville, KC, and Tennessee. Hell, throw the Chargers and Ravens in there. I think Sunday is winnable for both teams. It’s Foxborough and Heinz field that should terrify every other team.

My my uncle is Boston born. Huge pats fan. To his credit, he’s always been a de facto Bills fan of they aren’t playing each other. i said the same thing. Against anybody else I’m glad they are there. One and done would be “OK”. But against Marrone and Bortles, must win for the fan base. That said. I’m 31, so my adult life, and better understanding of football, the bills haven’t been to the playoffs. So this is huge. I remember being in peewee football coming home after playing NF, and Flutie coming back to keep the Bills in playoff contention on the radio on the drive home. This is my closest (and best) to that experience as Bills fan. I have been vocal about not being a fan of a bunch of the staff and players. But THANK YOU Tyrod, Kyle, Shady, and the roster. As much as it means to them, I’m sure they don’t understand what it means to this town.

Huge hold on Hughes there

TT- most definitely gone without a restructure. Maybe 12 mil one year only. True stop gap with no option to renew. That won’t happen at all though. Good for both parties whether stay or go. KW- will retire unless he strongly thinks we make it to the playoffs next year. If he truly believes it, he’ll take the significant pay decrease and see it through. Hughes- I would be astonished. He’s literally the only player in the front 7 worth a damn as a starter. We started the season Hughes, KW, Darius, Shaq with front 7 (zero linebackers) as a HUGE hole. Letting Hughes go, KW potentially retiring, Dareus traded, and Shaq now being rotational, means that we have to replace literally every starter in the front 7. Keeping Hughes in this situation is basically the definition of making your bed, and having I lay in it. Wood- recent extension. Right side of the line is a mess currently. There will be new blood at RG. If Cordy isn’t around, that side is still week. No way we go into the season with Dawkins, Richie, ?, ?, ?. Cordy- Is rather eat another year of salary to see if it pans out and he can be healthy. I think the salary is worth the risk. Especially considering how well Dawkins could anchor the other side. Clay-why? Shady- if we sell the farm to grab Cousins, maybe. Other than that it will be a journeyman or a rookie that will need the help. Depth is bad there. This would be disasterous with a new QB. Especially with the consideration of Glenn, Wood, and Clay. Brown- meh. Young enough, unsure of cap ramifications. Could go either way. Lorenzo- love this dude as a player and a person. That doesn’t mean he’s great at his job. Hope he stays. Won’t lose sleep if he goes. Most of the releases, outside of Lorax, Brown, and TT, seem relatively catastrophic to the team if we start pairing 2-3 together. Ar some point, even though these guys aren’t the best, we need to develope a reasonable depth chart. Not to make it a Battle of the GM’s, but that seems like what Whaley was trying to do. Keep what you draft if/when they perform. Always be looking for replacements. In 2017/18’s NFL, gutting a roster like this season, and potentially next, scares me to death. I like to call this the Scott Walker/Paul Ryan attempt to fixing problems, “Look at this thing (GOV) over here. It’s failing and totally the worst” <defunds said thing (cuts/trades players)Thing gets worse> “See look how much this thing is failing”

I made a point earlier abour seatching property sales and access to data. But I forgot a point. If this was in the works, a better and more efficient search is planning board meetings for the region. No way that “non-lazy millionaires” are purchasing 7 figures + worth of land without DEC recommendations and changing of zoning laws. Your post for some reason actually lead to me thinking of the restaurant and business “purchases” mentioned. If this is happening on a large scale, areas would have to be rezoned. With the amount of traffic, businesses, density, and sheer size of this, there is no way that it is not mentioned at a town council meeting or planning board meeting. Any environmental testing, which would be necessary, would be made public as well. It’s just how things work. Dopey Don mentioned the testing in his OP. The city is the only rumor with legs, because it’s the only location following standard practice across the nation. The township/county/state could declare eminent domain, but that is always dicey, and has a process of its own, would have started rolling, and would have been picked up already. I don’t care how much money you have. You can’t just buy 1000 acres and say, “my land, I’m building a stadium.” And nobody trying to get major tax breaks/profit would do so haphazardly. Everything about this is total poop. You are poop Dumbkirk Dan Sincerely, somebody who knows what they are taking about EDIT: grammar-still might be a mess. Sent from phone

That would have to be Lancaster/Newstead area. Anything further east is not Erie County. Maybe the edge of Clarence but also a good amount of houses. I would assume a significant NIMBY response there though.

Christ man. Cool, you have tons of money, and you are investing. Awesome. We appreciate your investment in our economy and infrastructure. If you are investing, you should do your due diligence, taking the steps I have above. Sounds like you did. Cool! BUT- If you expect NFL fans on a message board to do this kind of research over a new stadium, that they are not directly investing in, with no monetary gain, and in their free time, you are out of your gourd. The FOIA process will take over a month on its own most likely. But sure, call me/us lazy, that is what it is. Get off your high horse and stop being a wiener.

Dude, you want us to read through 6 months worth or property transactions for Erie County, pairing them with a map to see localization. Then pick out any shell corporations to see ties to WNY. Because that is how these things work, including the Harbor Center. Large development is generally purchased as its own LLC, so in the event of something terrible going wrong, the land asset does not effect the Bills, Sabres, or other Pegula's fracking empire. Should note that the Erie County Clerk records online, are only updated until July 2017. That means dig through the Buffalo news week after week. So to summarize your asking us to take the better part of an entire day, to go through each real estate transaction, submit a request via FOIA to the City/County for any building permits issued in the last 6 months, and notice the buyers, because there are plans to build a new stadium around the same time as the lease at New Era runs out with the county. Got it! As somebody with a degree in Urban Planning, this would be a great undergrad project to give an early level planning class as an intro/experience into how city planning works internally. All pubic information is not easy to come by. Cities and counties are notorious for making these requests incredibly difficult, draining, and time consuming. So yes public record, no not just a good search. If I cared enough I could map this all out via GIS, and be able to pinpoint exactly what is happening. It is also possible that this area is already an artery connected to an area of change currently, and is explainable via pattern. But I won't because your request is absolutely absurd, regardless of truth.

Agreed with this. I am not in the camp of take a QB at the top of the draft every year. You'll gut the rest of the roster over time doing that. BUT, I see no harm ever in taking a guy in the 1st or 2nd two years in a row. Take our situation as an example. Hypothetically, we package our two firsts to move up and take one of the top QB's, but Peterman progresses into the next Jim Kelly. We would all gladly give up 2 firsts and a second for a guy like Jimbo.

If we are going to roll the dice on a player fully recovering from injury. I want it to be a guy like Cordy. Drafted by us, played at a very high level, franchise LT. I am willing to eat the cap space, and possibly look for his replacement. The draft pick is nice, but we are creating holes, that need to be filled with that draft pick or FA. Pay Cordy another year or so. Move Dawkins to RT, Cordy to LT, and we are in a better spot. If it does not pan out, we are in a slightly worse position/the same place we are now with Dawkins at LT and still a need to overhaul the right side of the line. I mean what is the real value here. Trading Cordy for a rookie RG? Depth at LB or DT? If I trade my "starting" left tackle, even if there is some concern about longevity, I am still rolling the dice with status of my franchise. I need more than a draft pick that will be used on depth/a guy that might be out of the league in 3 years. I need a guy that will be with my franchise for the next 3-5 years as a starter. Not super star, but starter.

I generally do not disagree. And while I may get a bad feeling about my first scenario above if Tom decides to play. I don’t think the second scenario is just either. To me this situation is more akin to mental health decisions. Where in NYS you cannot home somebody who is mentally ill long term against their will. However if they are deemed mentally unfit in a way to where they are a danger to themselves, you can absolutely mandate a temporary stay in the hospital for a few days. In this case, on game day, Savage is not deemed fit enough to make decisions that would not endanger himself. If he wants to play next week, while I disagree, I would accept the fact that he made the decision himself in a much healthier place.

He shouldn't be given the decision. He was just knocked unconscious literally moments prior, it is no time for anybody to be making any critical decisions. You're acting like this happened yesterday, and somebody on Thursday is like: "Hey Tom, you were knocked unconscious last week, and you started trembling, you might not remember, that is common with concussions. Your body is physically capable of competing in a football game, but you could/will face very serious and dangerous medical repercussions for the rest of your life if you do, such as killing yourself, your family, and not being able to ever sleep through the night again do to head aches. Do you assume the risk?" What happened was: "Hey Tom, you got your bell rung pretty good there. We think you're good. You good to go?" "put me in coach"

I think that was either 2nd half or 4th quarter.

I would also say TT might be good to go if they were at Lucas Oil Stadium. But in those conditions, even if his knee was 95%, there is a good chance he trashes it for the rest of the season. An Aside: I hear a lot of guys talk about playing sub maximal, which happens in the NFL a lot, and that is fine too. But the difference between 95% and 100% is the difference between an elite athlete and JAG basically. Take the mens 1500m at the Olympics. The difference between winning the heat and not advancing is 0.67% difference in performance. 5% is the difference between a gold medalist, and some dude from some irrelevant nation/Olympic region. Margins in elite athletics are razor thin.