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Define accurate.... this has Case Keemun as better than, well everybody not name Brady, Brees, or Rivers. Also has Blake Bortles as top half of the league....ahead of....effing Aaron Rodgers. Christ You forgot the ending for 2. Best at case scenario we hit on the number 2 pick. After taking a few years to recover from trading away 2 firsts this year, and a first next year, absolute minimum. We then have to work pay Darnold/Rosen, far more than 25 mil per year, because the cost of a QB will have gone up significantly. And we are having the same exact conversation we are now about what to do....

I do not buy this at all. Doesn’t fit the franchise. Whaley got fired after never being able to hire a HC of his own. But suddenly now, Bean can override the HC as to who to hire as OC?

I don’t really like this line of thinking. “Bills cut/traded him, he sucks. Do better” Most of the guys we cut/traded in the last year are starters on playoff teams. It’s not like they leave and are rotational/cut again. Sammy looking at being franchised. Woods had a good year. Darby is playing very well and starting. Goodwin had a career year. Ragland started in the playoffs. Cap implications taken into consideration (no Sammy) the Bills would have been a better team this year with Darby, Goodwin, Woods, Ragland, and Seymour on the roster. This is a really big draft for this FO. We also haven’t done a great job grabbing FA’s with the new FO. (Poyer and Hyde was the previous FO)

I agree. On one hand I like the aggressiveness. On the other hand it feels like we are shooting our selves in the foot. Fingers crossed with our new scouting department and GM on their first draft ever. A lot of capital, but a lot of self made holes that need to be filled. Which means we need to hit much more than we miss.

I don’t disagree. It does seem like people look past the deficiencies in the passing game because of running ability. Which to my point either isn’t sustainable or can’t be used regularly. For a running QB to be effective in the NFL he still has to be at least an average passer, or good passer. It’s where most of these very athletic college QB’s falter. It isn’t sustainable to have these guys running around. It will catch up. Look at Vick (excluding prison time). They can’t run forever. Tebow another extreme. Manziel. The list goes on. Athletic QB’s need to be pass first on an NFL level. Running is an added wrinkle that makes up for some deficiency, but not much. And not nearly as much as people give it credit for, as exciting as it is to watch at times

The issue isn’t getting more production from the QB, the issue is 1. Beating an NFL defense. 2. Keeping your QB healthy. An NFL defense is much bigger, faster, and stronger than anything in the NFL.

We jusr gave E.Wood an extension. You think he’ll be cut or sitting on the bench? I really think we are too thin at too many positions to go out and create another issue, on an already struggling OL

Great job! This is my favorite thread of 2018. I’m really surprised people keep arguing with you. As you were folks. ????

Coached under Pettine. Part of the Marrone coaching tree then. Got er done!

Hey, I dislike Dick Jauron as much as the next guy, but the dude could coach DB's. George Wilson was an average starter.

I don't watch much college ball. Can somebody tell me the pro's and con's to this? All I know is: Pro's- Just won a national championship Cons- They regularly win national championships because of their defense.

If we don't trade Glenn RT drops way down. RG and OL Depth is a huge need still though. Richie and Wood are agining. We need 2 new DT and at least 2 if not 3 LB. I would be fine with a pass rusher in the first 4 picks. Bills also need a young CB in the event we don't resign Gaines, or if we do, for when he goes down.

I think we we are going to look back at the history of the Dareus trade and see more Marshawn Lynch (ie never should have happened) than we will Haynesworth (Total dud).

Get out of here with your absolutely nonsense. I wouldn’t post if this is him throwing his helmet on the field, or drawing flags for unsportsmanlike conduct. You are out of your gourd here man. Sports are different in the moment. More so with a game like football. I personally am friends with more olympians than you can probably even name. I’ve seen each and every one of them “lose it” at some point after training or racing. Ive also seen them with their kids, wives, and/or GF’s. Sport is sport, family is family. What you’re insinuating isn’t only patently false, it’s 100% disrespectful. I lost a national championship (won a few as well) and threw an oar. I’d agree it’s not the best look, but holy hell, if you’re accusing me of taking that home with me, and taking it out on my significant other, you sure as hell better be willing to stand your ground on such an absurd, rude, personal, and disrespectful accusation. Because make no bones about it, this is a very serious personal accusation.

I don’t watch much college ball so I appreciate the insight. But.... it it looks like the WR makes it an in-route once mason moves and would have been a post down the deep middle. Scanning out (mich the narrator scans in) the in route is reasonably blanketed with a LB close by, and what looks like the safety above in single high coverage. To me it looks like good coverage and blitzing with a a tiny bit of shoulda woulda coulda

Rumor has it, Whaley wanted Watson.

I do not get this. We have issues with depth, so we are going to create more holes at starting positions. It’s constant moves like these that have already kept the Bills in futility for 17 years. We need major help on the right side of the OL. Our starting LT was supposed to be our RT. So cut/trade our LT to use said draft capital/money on a new LT or RT? Add Richie and Wood to the discussion (from some posters)and we now need a LG, C, RG, and RT. But at least we have mobility to package picks? Shady, we are !@#$ed if this happens. The entire DL is an issue. So cut the only serviceable pass rusher we have, and our second best pass rusher. That means via draft and free agency we need 4 new starters on the DL? CB1/2 depending on where you put Gaines. There was “some security” there with Roby, but he’s gone via trade. Now we have to use said draft pick to find his possible replacement? Clay is a tremendous safety valve for any new QB. Shouldn’t go. The entire LB group needs an upgrade. QB, we all know something is changing. Chip Kelly thought he was the smartest guy in the room and it got him canned. You can’t decimate a roster and expect to be good. We have very serious concerns about a ton of positional groups as well as depth. Some created by this regime and prior. Continuing that trend will only point downward. We simply can’t address all of the above in a way that upgrades the roster in a single offseason, sorry. “Draft mobility” doesn’t make up for losing 14 of our starters. Those are the names being listed in this thread.

Not sure who that was down the seam, but that made me irrationally frustrated. Smith is an upgrade to TT. By how much is debatable. But an upgrade. Depends on cost I think. We have a lot of holes on this team and that is a bit scary. I would like to stay put and fill those holes with a Smith type if we can, and grab a guy that is sitting there for us late in the 1st. Unless we can trade up to the top 3 picks, I don't really have any interest in a guy like Mayfield in the middle of the first. Kirk Cousins at 22-23ish mil per year would be ideal.

Totally understand this is sarcasm. But I hate the bold. If Tyrod was a more effective passer, it would be better for McCoy and the running game.

Agreed. We made a few moves this year that still haven’t been an improvement. RG, RB2, and WR are all moves that we made moves in with zero or negative improvement. Its not lost, but if those types of moves continue, 6 wins is right in our wheel house. Not that we weren’t deserving, but we did also get bounces Bills fans are not accustomed to. IMO we need to hit much more than we miss in the draft this year to just sustain what we did this year.

Correct. This terrifies me for next year. We had a ton of breaks this year. You can’t count on those. I’m worried the team has the possibility to be a 6 win team next year. Holding out hope though.

Dude, I don’t like TT the QB. I do respect the man. The guy looks like he might have been knocked out cold not that long ago, and has a pretty serious concussion. Can we we hold off on this. It’s a fine discussion. It’s an absolute trash time to start it. Let’s keep this place classy.

Reasonable perspective.

Bills break the playoff drought. QB almost dies in the field in said playoff game....

I jusr donated again, and he was 13k over his 20k goal as of right now, and it’s less than half a day into it. Not to diminish the giving, and I gave to both, but with all this fundraising and crowdfunding going on. With the Bengals..... how much do you think we can crowdfund league wide to keep Burfict off the field forever?