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PFF Ranked their top 101 Players. Bills: 21. TRE’DAVIOUS WHITE, CB, BUFFALO BILLS Top 101 appearances: New entry There were other rookies that received significantly more recognition than Tre’Davious White, but the Bills’ rookie had an incredible debut season in the NFL and was named PFF’s rookie of the year. White allowed just 50.6 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught in the regular season and allowed no receptions at all from three targets in his one playoff appearance. He has four picks and 12 pass breakups over the full season counting that playoff game and did all this while being thrust into the No. 1 cornerback role for the Bills from day one after the team traded away Ronald Darby. PFF Elite Stat: White led rookie cornerbacks in average cover snaps played per reception allowed (15.8). 95. JORDAN POYER, S, BUFFALO BILLS The Buffalo Bills‘ safeties were overhauled in the offseason, and a new defensive scheme only maximized their impact in Year 1. Jordan Poyer had an outstanding year for the Bills and made the PFF Team of the Week two times. Poyer had five interceptions and six pass breakups over the year, earning an overall PFF grade of 87.6. PFF Elite Stat: Poyer missed only four tackles on 572 snaps in pass coverage. Top 101 appearances: New entry 97. MICAH HYDE, S, BUFFALO BILLS Top 101 appearances: New entry Another player to benefit from the Buffalo safety revamp and scheme change, Micah Hyde came over from Green Bay in the offseason and immediately upgraded the Bills’ secondary. Hyde ended the year tied for the fourth-best coverage grade among all safeties at 89.8 thanks to five interceptions and five pass breakups. PFF Elite Stat: Hyde allowed 80 yards after the catch, eighth-fewest among safeties with 500-plus cover snaps. 99. LESEAN MCCOY, RB, BUFFALO BILLS Top 101 appearances: 3 LeSean McCoy had another excellent season for the Buffalo Bills, a team that found itself unexpectedly in playoff contention and ended up making it all the way to the final minutes of the wild card round against the Jaguars. McCoy had an overall PFF grade of 82.3 and broke 33 tackles on 287 carries. PFF Elite Stat: McCoy totaled 16 explosive (15-plus yards) runs in 2017, which was tied for the second-most among all NFL running backs.

This is really good. Can't argue with any of these. No peers in their prime. Fully agree on Ted Washington. For what he was tasked with doing, there wasn't a better NT in the game, and it isn't close. So you think that Randy Moss had a career that produced equally to his physical talent/ability? Based on how I am reading that, it sounds like you think Jerry Rice was equally as physically gifted as Randy Moss?

I fully agree. It’s the same with physiologists for most countries national teams. Take a guy who has intimate knowledge of stats/the human body and have them apply it to football/Olympic sport. Things are actually much harder, and less benifical the other way around.

I didn’t put AP as better than Sanaders or Emmett. The question was guys who were exponentially better than everybody they played with. AP early and mid career was hands down the best RB in the league, with the next best a mile back. The question wasn’t meant to cross era’s

I give full credit to Beane in turning over the staff and recruiting/hiring guys to buy into what we are doing. That’s part of his job. But these guys aren’t getting hired based on their actual work with the Bills. They’re getting hired/interviewed because the got a promotion to a higher role, for a franchise that exceeded expectations. I would argue that we are lacking in Pro Personell. That position is largely responsible for filling depth. And we lack that at basically every single position. QB, WR, OL, LB, CB (EJ Gaines record), DT, goes down and we are missing absolutely major pieces. FA was Whaley and Co. We replaced the FO immediately post draft. I purposefully left out the last draft as a pro or con for either GM for the same reasons I do with the transition of Nix to Whaley. Some picks you have an idea, but we really don’t know at all. It’s just a mosh-mosh. McClap was already here, and there have been zero inside reports as to what went on. Everything is speculation in both directions.

I don’t watch enough college ball to really know. It’s a really good question. The big question is what’s the cap hit if we cut TT in 2019 rather than now, 2018? Nobody worth anything will come here on a year or two deal just to be cut a year or two later. Since that’s the case might as well pay the contact we have now...unless we can get out of it for the same price a year or two from now. Otherwise we are right back where we started.

20 years was an estimate for my life. In my early 30’s. I can’t say I understood football at a mediocre level until later. In you lifetime would probably be better....but hey narcissism. Lokikngdor exponentially better than than everybody else. The quoted are a ton of guys who are arguably similar to others. Gotta pick a singular guy. WR- I would say Moss is easily the most talented of all time. Not even a question. But production and effort don’t match up. DE- another log jam of similar output. If you can’t differentiate, then I’d say it’s a disqualified position. Strahan was always solid, he did have a season with 20+ sacks with the next best at something like 15. Argument coupd be made. OL as a whole- in all honesty, I’m not fluent enough in OL play to differentiate between very good/dominant and better than the entire league. I just don’t watch individuals enough there to have an opinion. RB- those are good. Not much overlap. I think you hit it pretty well. TE- as a complete player, there’s Gronk and a mile between every other TE in the league in his tenure. As a pass catcher it’s arguable. Gonzalez is probably the closest. DT- this gets tough. But Sapp deserves credit. I broke it down as pass rusher. So I over looked LB- IMO Ray Lewis since 2001 and it’s not close. CB-Revis. Honorable mention Peterson because DR is on the downside of his career. Name one player who was the absolute best at any position, that most would agree on, during their playing time.

I came to say say the same thing. I wouldn’t consider Pennington a miss at all. Pre injury, his arm strength was very good. He lost a lot of strength because of it. Still had a long career. Leftwhich, he was a good passer and QB. Just wasn’t great. Looking back I feel like he kinda just hung it up, rather than bouncing around a ton. Speaking of Jags QB’s that flamed out. I’m always confused on what happened to David Garrard. I feel like he was good enough to be a decent stop gap or quality backup. Just stuck on absolutely horrid Jags teams. He just stayed there for like 10 years and disappeared. Sweet gig I guess.

A friend and I were having a conversation the other day about players who were best compared to everybody else they were playing against in their era. Hands down better than everybody else at their position without question. We are at the tail end of a QB surplus, so it’s hard to argue a guy like Rogers who plays with Brees, Brady, and Manning. All are sure fire first ballot HoF, and no one isn’t a standard deviation better than the rest. Pass Rushers are hard from the mid 80’s to 90’s as well. Bruce, Reggie White, LT. They had peers of similar caliber. Same with RB. Thurman, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith. My thoughts on guys I can remember since I understood football, not just watched: Adrian Peterson Derrelle Revis Ray Lewis- Urlacher is over rated IMO Steve Tasker- as a special teamer Devin Hester- as a returner Pat Williams- might be a homer pick Any others?

Father Time punched him right in the face. He went from all time great to a journeyman pretty quickly. Being a crappy teammate helps. He’s still talented. Just not even close to the same guy.

I have no idea what to think about Cousins now. If guys who have played 7 games become the highest paid player in the league, then screw it pay Kirk 27 mil too. If Glennon, TT, and Osweiler get 16-18 mil, that’s the minimum cost of having a low end starter in the league, might as well pony up. But outside of football, this is a terrible business decision. Could you imagine starting a new job somewhere, smack in the middle of the totem poll. Then killing it Q1. Suddenly your 60k job turns into CEO. Jesus.

Take it up with the courts man. His transgressions regarding the matter are public record. It's not like the Panthers searched his house and found an eclectic collection of butt plugs, and said "This makes me unconfortable, go on administrative leave"

I don't have a problem with it when it is the face of the FO in a profession that is the most watched television in the United States. Like I said in an earlier post, if he wanted to go sell insurance with Geico, or computers at Ingram, that is a totally different conversation. These are the sort of risks you take when you work for such a televised business.

That is a bunch of BS. This falls in line with people who think freedom of speech means they can say whatever the hell they want without repercussions. You can't. Hurney chose a profession that is on every single major network across the nation, played in primetime, 3 days per week. He chose to sign the Personal Conduct Policy. These are risks he took. Public opinion is not obligated to follow the constitution. In fact, I would argue that for all your hoorah, go America verbiage, you have a poor understanding of the constitution and the freedoms in America. Sorry you had to hear that kid. Hurney could come out of this totally fine in all of this. His wife might just be vindictive for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with abuse. I was merely pointing out the fact that it is very neatly falling in line with a pattern of behavior that implies an incredibly toxic relationship. It sucks he is "on leave", but his employer is welcome to do so, and I don't find issue with it.

That is fair. I will consider fan bias regarding Marrone. Just let me keep hating him, it is still too fresh for me. I stand by the rest though. McDaniels sucks and Mularkey paid his dues.

Mike Mularkey Time heals all wounds to a certain extent and it is true with Mularkey. I highly doubt he sees another one: 2006: Mularkey resigns, and joins the Saban Fiasco in Miami as OC and they are god awful on the offensive side of the ball. 2007: Mularkey stays on staff, but not as OC. Eventually demoted to TE coach by Cam Cameron. 2008-2011: Goes to ATL as OC and turns around their offense in his first year. 2012: 6 years since his last HC gig he takes over as Jags HC. Fired after the first year of his 3 year contract 2013-14 Takes TE coach position with Tennessee. 2015-2017: Mularkey takes over for a terrible Wisenhunt. Tennessee is mediocre with Marriota. Fired again. Doug Marrone Marrone after ditching the Bills, thinking he would be a highly touted HC prospect, settles for the OL coach of maybe the worst team in the league. Bradley is canned, which was years in the making. Coughlin retains him, and is probably the only guy in the league who would hire Marrone as HC at the time. Marrone is currently a product of timing and Coughlin. If not for that, I didn't really see him getting any HC jobs in the near future. Probably more treading water in the league for 5-7 years like Mularkey before getting a shot. Paying his dues. When Dareus talks about Marrone being a changed man, I don't doubt it. I would expect that his journey post Buffalo was incredibly humbling too him as a professional and as a man. Josh McDaniels People keep talking about McDaniel's bad time in Denver and what an a-hole he was there. He was also terrible as the OC with the Rams. Him being able to work/be buddies with Tom Brady has been the greatest thing to ever happen to him. I think TB is the real OC of that team, and Belichick controls everything. McDaniels has never ever stood on his own two feet with success. His resume: 1999: Grad assistant under Nick Saban 2000: Moves to Cleveland and works as a plastics salesman. (I sh*t you not) 2001: Patriots Personell Assistant. 2002-2003: Defensive Assistant 2004-2005: Patriots QB Coach. Before McDaniels took over, Brady had already been named Super Bowl MVP TWICE, while Josh was a defensive assistant 2006-2008: Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator (Tom Brady) 2009-2010: Denver-Lots of hot garbage 2011: Rams more hot Garbage 2012-today: Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator (Tom Brady) I think Indy dodged a bullet here, not just because McDaniels is a douche, but because I think he is really bad at his job.

Plot twist: New “good-guy Irsay” also feels slighted. He mails McDaniels a certified letter and check for $20,000. The leter states, that by cashing the check, he understands said money can only be used for his (McDaniels) funeral. Included in the envelope is a single post it note that reads “You’re dead to me”

I don’t want to hijack the thread, so I won’t go back and forth on this after this post. I don’t put people in their place, I expect respect from people in my life, and don’t surround myself with people who I feel disrespected by. If I have to parent you in being a reasonable human being, there is no place for you. It’s not my job to put you in you’re place. It’s my fault for allowing myself to be aroind continuous disrespect. You can control the people in your life closest to you. If you keep surrounding yourself with disrespect, you might not be as alpha as you think you are. I also don’t think being an A-hole is in any way gender specific. What do I know? Just some beta on the inter webs. ???‍♂️

Whelp...that escalated quickly. I don’t know what happened to you as a kid, but I’m sorry it happened, and it’s ok to feel hurt by it.

He signed a contract that includes the leagues personal conduct policy. He also isn't selling anti-virus in an office. The NFL is a very public choice of employment, where losing your job for personal conduct is more than justified. Some parts might be some paranoia. But they are also VERY common symptoms for women who were in abusive relationships prior. If I had to put money on it, Hurney was probably abusive in the past while married. His actions of stalking are common of abusers. And continued paranoia about the abuser is incredibly common in their victims. Maybe he is/maybe he isn't currently stalking or harassing her. What is highly likely is, he is paying the piper for past behavior. Not out of her need to get back at him, but very real psychological repercussions of his past actions. Read up on abusive relationships. This sort of behavior is more common than you are giving it credit for. ^^^THIS^^^ Also the role of the victim in these situations is a very complicated mental state.

This is also probably a little bit of a pattern for Butler. Yes they needed an upgrade at CB, but they brought in Gilmore for similar money they could have paid Butler. I would imagine situations like this are a huge reason as to why that move happened the way it did.

I was recently watching some stuff on Rudolph. Just some thoughts. He needs time. He is a bit more raw than I would like in a QB in the first. I don't know a ton about him as a person or work ethic. Missing some of the things EJ was coming out of college. He had a tremendous work ethic and wasn't able to over come his anticipation in regards to timing throws. If the staff loves him, grab him, and I will trust them. But I wouldn't just take him because I need a QB. It is guys like this that flame out with very QB needy teams. He needs some work. I am sure somebody will though. If he is there for us in the 2nd, by all means, run to the podium and take a flyer on the kid. Pros: -Good long ball. -Keeps his eyes down field when he has to scramble. -Has enough zip to fit the ball into tight spaces. -Can make all the throws -Athletic enough to be a runner at times. Cons: -Wonky mechanics at times -Doesn't throw with enough anticipation. Receivers do A LOT of coming back to the ball sometimes. -Doesn't look comfortable in a messy pocket. -His receivers are generally VERY OPEN. -Head movement/reads can look erratic. Also has a tendency to lock on.

how much horse poo?

I don't think they will be a dark horse at all. Since Manning, then drafting Luck, they have been in the conversation for about 2 decades as being contenders. Add to that, that the media has a short memory in regards to McDaniels because of his association and success with Brady and Bellichick. I fully expect Indy to be media favorites as contenders next year as long as they have a healthy luck. Jacksonville this year was a surprise/dark horse. Same with the Rams. Indy will be shoved down our throats as soon as Lucks health and the draft shakes out.

Admittedly I am in my 30's, so Marino was on the back end of his career when I started watching football that I could remember. TB has been playing so long, about half my entire lifetime, it is becoming easier for me to acknowledge how great he is now. The dude has played basically two careers at this point. It is pretty insane.