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I think we we are going to look back at the history of the Dareus trade and see more Marshawn Lynch (ie never should have happened) than we will Haynesworth (Total dud).

Get out of here with your absolutely nonsense. I wouldn’t post if this is him throwing his helmet on the field, or drawing flags for unsportsmanlike conduct. You are out of your gourd here man. Sports are different in the moment. More so with a game like football. I personally am friends with more olympians than you can probably even name. I’ve seen each and every one of them “lose it” at some point after training or racing. Ive also seen them with their kids, wives, and/or GF’s. Sport is sport, family is family. What you’re insinuating isn’t only patently false, it’s 100% disrespectful. I lost a national championship (won a few as well) and threw an oar. I’d agree it’s not the best look, but holy hell, if you’re accusing me of taking that home with me, and taking it out on my significant other, you sure as hell better be willing to stand your ground on such an absurd, rude, personal, and disrespectful accusation. Because make no bones about it, this is a very serious personal accusation.

I don’t watch much college ball so I appreciate the insight. But.... it it looks like the WR makes it an in-route once mason moves and would have been a post down the deep middle. Scanning out (mich the narrator scans in) the in route is reasonably blanketed with a LB close by, and what looks like the safety above in single high coverage. To me it looks like good coverage and blitzing with a a tiny bit of shoulda woulda coulda

Rumor has it, Whaley wanted Watson.

I do not get this. We have issues with depth, so we are going to create more holes at starting positions. It’s constant moves like these that have already kept the Bills in futility for 17 years. We need major help on the right side of the OL. Our starting LT was supposed to be our RT. So cut/trade our LT to use said draft capital/money on a new LT or RT? Add Richie and Wood to the discussion (from some posters)and we now need a LG, C, RG, and RT. But at least we have mobility to package picks? Shady, we are !@#$ed if this happens. The entire DL is an issue. So cut the only serviceable pass rusher we have, and our second best pass rusher. That means via draft and free agency we need 4 new starters on the DL? CB1/2 depending on where you put Gaines. There was “some security” there with Roby, but he’s gone via trade. Now we have to use said draft pick to find his possible replacement? Clay is a tremendous safety valve for any new QB. Shouldn’t go. The entire LB group needs an upgrade. QB, we all know something is changing. Chip Kelly thought he was the smartest guy in the room and it got him canned. You can’t decimate a roster and expect to be good. We have very serious concerns about a ton of positional groups as well as depth. Some created by this regime and prior. Continuing that trend will only point downward. We simply can’t address all of the above in a way that upgrades the roster in a single offseason, sorry. “Draft mobility” doesn’t make up for losing 14 of our starters. Those are the names being listed in this thread.

Not sure who that was down the seam, but that made me irrationally frustrated. Smith is an upgrade to TT. By how much is debatable. But an upgrade. Depends on cost I think. We have a lot of holes on this team and that is a bit scary. I would like to stay put and fill those holes with a Smith type if we can, and grab a guy that is sitting there for us late in the 1st. Unless we can trade up to the top 3 picks, I don't really have any interest in a guy like Mayfield in the middle of the first. Kirk Cousins at 22-23ish mil per year would be ideal.

Totally understand this is sarcasm. But I hate the bold. If Tyrod was a more effective passer, it would be better for McCoy and the running game.

Agreed. We made a few moves this year that still haven’t been an improvement. RG, RB2, and WR are all moves that we made moves in with zero or negative improvement. Its not lost, but if those types of moves continue, 6 wins is right in our wheel house. Not that we weren’t deserving, but we did also get bounces Bills fans are not accustomed to. IMO we need to hit much more than we miss in the draft this year to just sustain what we did this year.

Correct. This terrifies me for next year. We had a ton of breaks this year. You can’t count on those. I’m worried the team has the possibility to be a 6 win team next year. Holding out hope though.

Dude, I don’t like TT the QB. I do respect the man. The guy looks like he might have been knocked out cold not that long ago, and has a pretty serious concussion. Can we we hold off on this. It’s a fine discussion. It’s an absolute trash time to start it. Let’s keep this place classy.

Reasonable perspective.

Bills break the playoff drought. QB almost dies in the field in said playoff game....

I jusr donated again, and he was 13k over his 20k goal as of right now, and it’s less than half a day into it. Not to diminish the giving, and I gave to both, but with all this fundraising and crowdfunding going on. With the Bengals..... how much do you think we can crowdfund league wide to keep Burfict off the field forever?

In another thread it was "rumored" that Hughes, a 2nd, and a 4th get us Alex Smith and C.West. I am torn. Upgrade at QB, but like you said front 7 could change this defense, and team completely. Not sure how losing a 2nd/draft capital and our best pass rusher helps that. Especially with all our needs. QB, RB2, DT1, DT2 (I think KW returns to a team friendly contract but limited role), CB2/3, MLB, SLB, WLB, RT, RG. WR. Just seems like creating a hole for an upgraded QB, but not a long term answer because of age.

This is also a pro personnel move, and finding guys from other rosters who fit well with what we do/did, was what Whaley was absolutely best it. It is fair to give him some credit I think.

Huh? Not really sure here....and I hate the phins as much as the next guy. Cutler has a tendency to be a turnover machine, and his last throw of possibly his career was off the hands of a DB. Gase will be there next year, and needs to see his back up QB play, which I think is fair. Fales also played pretty well, all things considered. Dude went for it on 4th. Doesn't this board get mad when we don't? I don't get it. I thought it was ballsy. They were down, and looking for a spark. The kid was playing pretty well too. That helps. What was he supposed to do during or after the brawl? Seriously, what? Sit them down, explain to them what they did, and why it was wrong? Take away their Xbox for a week? Marvin Lewis continues to put Burfict on the field, lead the league in offseason arrests, and is the HC of what is considered the dirtiest team in the NFL. So don't come here and start rattling off a bunch of BS about organizational classiness because Dalton made a play that helped us.

I know Choadprick Bay Choad mentioned it in another thread, but curious on the boards opinions of Downing and/or Tice coming into Buffalo for Dennison and/or Castillo

I am a big Phil Rivers fan. I think he is a tremendous talent, who keeps playing on very bad rosters (with the exception of the Marty Ball years). If we were not in, they would have been my playoff team (had they made it)

I like the white on blue...but... We just won with the white on white throwbacks. Jags going all black. Would be awesome if we wore white on white, throwback or current.

But Jeff Fisher couldn't. Probably another 8-8 season. Ha. Jeff Fisher is the Lindy Ruff of the NFL. "Take a 10 goal scorer and make them a 20 goal scorer. Take a 40 goal scorer, make them a 20 goal scorer"

Apologies, I missed the 2nd post on it. TT's top two receivers are exactly the same as last year. Clay and Shady. So I am not sure I buy that argument. Sammy was never really utilized either. What is really concerning looking at the numbers is that catch% seems to be way down. Shady is down 10% points alone. Kind of weird. I don't have an answer, but curious of others thoughts on that. 2016 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm 2017 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017.htm

This is not drilled down enough to really tell a story. What is our 3rd down conversation rate at 3rd and 5 or 6+, on clear passing downs? Just my guess, but TT is not effective at converting 3rd and mid or longer comparatively to the rest of the league. The same as he isn't good with playing from behind. He does not excel in clear passing situations.

This is always weird to me. We got worked by SD in the trenches and their D. Highly doubt we would have won. The other night would have been win and in had we not looked like garbage against a bad Bengals team early in the year. To me this is the game everybody should be looking at as a head scratcher.

Agreed. I’m not a huge TT fan. But not a total hater either. Unless he has a sub 150 yard game, Buffalo stays the course, but still picks up a QB with one of their first 2 or 3 picks. Won’t move up in the first for a QB. Maybe a DT or LB, but not a QB in the first.

Outside of Pittsburgh and NE, I don’t think there is a clearly better team between Buffalo, Jacksonville, KC, and Tennessee. Hell, throw the Chargers and Ravens in there. I think Sunday is winnable for both teams. It’s Foxborough and Heinz field that should terrify every other team.