Mango

Good topic. Lately John Murphy keeps saying “well how are we worse than last year.” It’s driving me crazy, because I don’t think we were good, and pretty flawed. If we played that season over again, the odds of us finishing worse than 9-7 are pretty high. I expect a step back to reality next season.

Roster/Depth wise we are in a worse spot than we were 2 years ago. This team might miss the playoffs the next 2-3 years regardless if we trade up. For the first time in my lifetime, the Bills had most of the calls go their way. That is how we got to 9-7 and backed into the playoffs. We could have easily been a 6 or 7 win team. We need a QB in a bad way, and we have since Kelly. If the FO believes a player can be the guy for the next 10 years, nobody will care what we give up for him. Go get him

This. ^^^ Whaley could be a mediocre GM exacerbated by poor leadership from the head of the franchise. Whaley May also have been a very good to great GM hampered by poor leadership from the head of the franchise. There is one common thread in the Whaley era, and it’s basically Brandon and/or Pegula sharing football operations in terms of coaching. Because of that I won’t ever fault Whaley as being a bad GM, because he did find talent, and left the roster more talented than he found it. That doesn’t mean he was necessarily good or even great. It meant he served his role with handcuffs, and we will never actually know. I’m more PO’d at Pegula/Brandon for their management at the time.

We can't quantify any of this....

Go check out his threads on historical GM grades. He isn't about the conversation. He just creates threads and shuts down dialogue. This is just another in a long list.

Please. The Bills might not make the playoffs next year even if the roster stayed exactly the same as last year.

All the talk about getting it done now is silly. The Giants want to wait to see what happens with #1 first. Draft day is going to be bonkers for everybody.

If he does that, and McCarron isn’t THE GUY, then OBD will be quitting on Beane and McDermott.

He is a better passer than Tyrod. We will see if that makes the offense better. But it doesn't take much. Being a better passer may not back the LB and CB's off enough to open more running or throwing lanes. We shall see.

Sounds like we are actually on the same page for the most part. Cheers friend!

Physiology is absolutely not a joke. It is a very real study of science and the body. I wouldn't go to a doctor who thought otherwise. Again, for those in the back. Some Universities and con artists will take your money for a BS degree, or month long online course to give you some BS certification, that nobody in the field respects. But you can work at your local gym and call yourself a trainer of some sorts.

At the risk of sounding snarky, you probably do not interact much with high end physiologists. Because what the study is supposed to be, and what comes out of some universities, are two very different things. What you are describing is more akin to the difference between a nutritionist and a dietitian. You or I can be a nutritionist in about a month online, but a dietitian has an incredibly strong background in science.

Jesus, what a joke. I know tons of people with that degree coast to coast, and that wasn't anywhere near their class schedule. Just at a quick glance from UB Pre-Req's, those courses are harder, and that is just to be in the program. https://sphhp.buffalo.edu/exercise-and-nutrition-sciences/education/exercise-science-bs/prerequisites.html An aside, the USA has a real issue with physiology and exercise science, and it largely stems from football culture. The Australians, Swiss, Brittish, and Germans, do a far better job then we do.

Unsure what goes on in Exercise Science at Bama. But it is actually an incredibly difficult field, following a similar track to pre-med/bio and requires gross anatomy. Might want to remove that one.

Jesus. Guys are about to double Kelly’s yearly salary in a single game check.

I think most are worried there is a run on QB’s in the first 3 picks. Also this board doesn’t really like Allen, so that’s not a huge deal.

I’m not high on him. I think he slips, not far, but he slips. Denver is the wild card, I think they love him. If he makes it past 5, I think he makes it to Buffalo at 12. I wouldnt mind grabbing him there, but no trade up.

I have been pretty vocal about my want to trade up for a QB. But if this happens, I sit tight and don’t blame them. Out of everybody I honk Darnold and Rosen are worth it. Maybe I make an offer for 7, or something like that, but I wouldn’t give up a ton for anybody else. Hot take: I think Mayfield slips. If he’s there at 12 I gamble and take him still even though I’m not high on him. If the draft goes Barkley, Chubb, Rosen/Darnold, I’m going to be furious.

If you break down the cost as positional rather than the player, we can do both. Trading up and grabbing a guy for our firsts and some other picks, and McCarron working out to be a stud is just fine with me. At the end of the day it’s the cost of our starting QB, no matter who it is.

You could make the same arguement the other way. NFL careers are on the line here, we can’t go into the season with just McCarron. For me, I don’t mind sending a bunch of draft capital to move up, take our guy, and have McCarron turn into a stud. I see it as an investment in the position not the player. If it costs the Bills 2 firsts this year and maybe one next year, and McCarron is the man, then so be it, it’s the cost of the position for the next 15 years.

Yeah, I heard it, I also disagree with it because it is an over simplification. This is elite athletics not the Mighty Ducks. You don't win at the world level if you aren't more (or at least at the same level) physiologically gifted than the guys across from you. Yes there are exceptions and cancers, but there are not too many of those. We can name a bunch, yes, but with 53 guys cycling 32 NFL rosters every year, the percentages are low. I am not hating on Beane currently. I will admit, I am not thrilled about the Jets trade. If this hypothetical happens where we trade a bunch of starters and/or quality players, and we are left with trading a first for Foles, McCarron, and Peterman, I am going to be upset.

I guess the top 3 could go this way. I don't see Rosen dropping past Denver and Buffalo.

That is BS. This roster is better with Glenn and Darby on it. Sorry but it’s true. Very few, if any, good football teams cut quality players because of “fitting the scheme”. I’d like to add that Dareus fists is more off the roster than he does on. It is something bad and mediocre teams do to justify poor decisions. I am more than fine with it, as long as it is too solidly the most important position in football. If Beane cut depth, to build depth, then he’ll be gone in a few years.

I am sorry, but if the Bills trade Darby, Glenn, Hughes, and TT (although I’m not a fan) and don’t come out of this draft with a top tier QB, I’m lighting my torch and getting my pitchfork. You CANNOT trade all your assets to grab Nick effing Foles for a first and change. Beane is either the smartest GM at the table, or he’s trying to run a team like Madden. I know there are tons on this board who are big fans of Beane, but he has a ton to prove. The FO was mediocre at pro personnel this year, and he’s drafted nobody. That isn’t meant to condemn him, but I think it’s fair for most to sit on the fence. Thats why the Bills FO have really forced themselves into trading up, regardless of cost. I dont want to overpay as much as the next guy, but you can’t trade your assets for more picks, on a QB-less team. Otherwise you make the team worse in order to “maybe” be better in 3 years.

We are about to find out what Beane is made of. This is a big move for the Jets. If he doesn’t trade up, and a worthwhile QB doesn’t fall to 12, this town is going to start holding his feet to the fire. You can’t just trade away everybody on the roster and not come away with a top QB prospect