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I didn't say that even a little, Jesus. I think that over the course of a GM's history, in regards to the proposed, it would average out over picks, trades, and FA. In regards to EJ specifically. Again I didn't say that. Ugh. Should we have gone with a different position in hindsight, absolutely. My point is, as of 2018, EJ is probably either the best or second best QB in the class currently. The team traded down, got an extra pick, and got one of the best QB's/most important positions in football, that the draft had to offer. EJ was not good, but if any FO does that regularly, they will win more than they lose. You are taking what I said way too far. It is trash like this that makes your threads the worst. I tried to engage reasonably with this one too, and ask what the data meant, and that was your response. FML

It’s a bit of an anomoly, but for the purposes of trying to provide “data” or quantifying things, it would average out. The EJ pick specifically. The Bills traded down, got Kiko, and got maybe the 2nd best QB in the draft. Breaking it down that way, I don’t hate it. Bummer he wasn’t good enough, but it wasn’t the worst thing to ever happen.

There is probably something to the idea of averaging career length out among draft picks. Then trades count as years with team. So for the current regime Beane would get 0 or -1 for Darby but +2 for Benjamin. Not a terrible idea for weighing transactions as a whole for GM’s.

Gah. I meant, I’m not going to dive into nuts and bolts of it. Not to question it. It’s pretty binary. There’s nothing to question. When you break it down this way, what does it say about the Bills past. Hence the what’s the end game question. ??‍♂️

Huh? There were no complaints. Data should tell a story. I was asking what the next step was in putting together the Bills history with GM’s Sorry. That was directed at the OP

Let’s just take this all as correct. What the point here? Have the Bills had good personnel with bad coaching? Does the pro bowl mean nothing? Have we underachieved with good drafts comparatively across the league? Not sure what the end game is here.

You can’t adjust the stats for one and not the other. Also, if I am reading this right, Rosen was pressured more, on target more often, and completed more passes when under pressure. Not getting the point here...

You are right. This thread is a raving success, full of healthy discussion and debate. Totally hasn’t turned into everybody discussing how inaccurate this is/how difficult you are to engage with...

These threads always devolve into 5 pages of people telling you why this doesn’t make sense. It seems like you’re looking for an echo chamber. It’s odd

Fracking? ...really? Those pro-fracking will go the way of the whigs. It’s not happening in NYS...ever. It will become illegal nationally before NYS starts fracking. I’m not even weighing my opinion here, but it is the political (and social) climate currently, and it won’t be changing. You have major industrialized nations prohibiting it federally, and you’re worried about season tickets next year because of the topic? Pegula is fully aware, I am sure of it. Otherwise he doesn’t sell drilling rights to it for a football team in a medium/small market. He will continue to liquidate on a large scale in states not names Ohio or West Virginia in the coming years (5-10 tips), and redirect investments. It’s like selling bitcoin high. We all know it won’t work long term, but you ride the wave for the chance. Even major oil states like OK are starting to push back strongly against it. Not really helping yourself here.

Which is also why I was strongly against the Darby trade. “Fit”? The dude was a football player. We are definitely better with him rather than without. Also on the fence about Cordy Glenn. I am 100% fine with it as long as we use our draft capital to find a QB. If we don’t, I’ll be furious over it. I do get it though, some injury concerns. But the plan for Dawkins was RT, Glenn LT. Just because he had a good rookie season, doesn’t mean you get rid of a guy who has proven to be a quality NFL starter at a very important position. Especially considering that pre trade we had already lost our center, and our entire rigt side has been garbage for a long time.

Not to go down the rabbit hole here but....you do realize that most of the country mostly agrees with Rosen/dislikes the Donald/voted for the other person on the ballot. We also sell lots of Canadian tickets, a nation that is largely dumbfounded by our election. That argument doesn’t make sense.

If he is betting on himself, it’s in his best interest to hold off on an extension based on what others are getting paid. If he has a good year he’ll get over twice as much as his value is currently. That said, if he wants an extension now, go for it Buffalo, offer him his current value, which is probably around, or slightly more than Robert Woods money. 8-10 mil per year. Then you get a steal for the next 3-4 years, with a low enough value to cut or trade if things don’t work out.

As somebody who lived in OKC for a few years, that is not surprising. It is kind of no mans land in terms of fandom. There is a decent split between OU, OSU, and UT. Then a bunch of other college teams like Texas A&M, BYU, Auburn, Bama etc.

Why? This is basically he same value as has been stated before. Tons of people are saying it will take our 2x 1sts in 2018, possibly our 2018 2nd, and a 2019 first to get up to number 2. This was literally the same value, except for we moved up to no. 4 first, then packaged with 12. You don't trade up to no.2 in the draft unless you are enamored with a guy.

Really curious how the address incognito actually. Considering he’s going bonkers, even by just standards.

Not to take too deep of a dive into this. I was fine with Sammy, we weren’t going to re-sign. Gilmore has played well, but we weren’t gonna fork that cash over, and frankly didn’t have the room. I do think this roster is better with Darby, Dareus, Seymour, and Glenn on it though. We now have large holes at DT, OL, and Nickel/CB depth. Glenn in particular is frustrating if they don’t find a QB. Dawkins was brought in to play RT, Groy could have replaced Wood, fingers crossed for a Miller resdurgence with change in scheme. There is nothing wrong with depth. The current model is unsustainable if they don’t make a play at a big time QB. I do agree that, unless the staff feels VERY confident in whatever they patch together for an OL, the rookie should sit. It’s not a recipe for success.

Im saying Darnold and Rosen are viewed as more NFL ready, prototypical, and safe picks in the draft. That trading up to grab one, and them falling short, is more forgivable because of it. If they trade up for Allen, and Allen fails, they purged the roster to take a shot on a guy with a ton of growing to do in order to become a good NFL QB. If they stay put and grab somebody with their current 12 or 22, who is considered 2nd their and they miss, they will be flamed for purging the roster only to take a second teir QB, and fill roster holes that were self created.

Correct. They’ve traded too many assets not to take a shot. If they get Darnold or Rosen and they flop, the regime will be fine. If they trade up for Allen, or stay put for Rudolph/Jackson, and those flop, they’ll probably not be around very long.

I think it’s more complicated than that. Market price is whatever somebody is willing to pay. I can’t imagine we left a much better deal on the table and took the KC deal. If they stayed true to their board, White was the get all along, or a group of players that they knew would be there. Then getting any return was better than staying put. I doubt we turned down 100 second rounders like the Jets just gave/ last years value is last years value. This years is this years. History will move the needle a little bit, but not a ton. I understand what you’re saying. I’m more upset that they trusted the scouts for the rest of the draft, but not a QB selection, on what I would guess was waiting for their new GM/scouting staff. We could have bled the roster the same as we did this year, gotten all the picks, and let Mahomes or Watson sit for a year, and used this draft to stock up.

We really don’t know enough about Mahomes or Watson to know how they are as long term pro’s. Flacco belongs in the Hall of Pretty Good. That’s not too crazy

In theory, Dawkins was supposed to brought in as RT, but played well at LT when Cordy went down. Instead of creating depth, or moving Dawkins back to RT this season, we let Cordy go via trade. I’ve been beating the drum this past year that McBean and Co. are really rolling the dice with their personnel decisions. I will forget all of it if we come out of this draft with a franchise QB because it’s the most important position in sports. If we trade and cut half the roster, and get blocked out of the top of the draft/don’t solve the QB position, I think that Beane at the very least, put himself in the hot seat. I really dislike the Darby trade. Iffy on the Glenn trade if that pick doesn’t garner us the QB of the future.

Not just name a stud, do you think the Packers would trade Aaron Rodgers for the entire Minnesota defense? Absolutely not. It’s the the most important position in sports.

That does not really change anything though. Whaley could still have wanted to grab Watson, and was over ruled by Pegs or McD to trade down, even if it was 5 days prior.

Wasn't it reported that Whaley wanted to draft Watson?