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Correct, but you’re trying to tell two stories with one formula...which is where the problem lies. If you’re going to count runs for positive yards and completions, then count sacks, zero gain, or negative gain, as an attempt and incompletion. You can’t just add half the data set and swing the pendulum one way. If JA is 6/10 and 80 yards, runs for 7 yards on the next play. Then he becomes 7/11 and 87 yards. Based on what you’re doing, if the next play he scrambles and is sacked for -3. He needs to be 7/12 for 84 yards. You can’t just count the positive plays for yards and completion %, and ignore the sacks/failed scrambles.

I think he did. Count his scrambles for zero and negative yards as attempts and incompletions. You took sack data and tried to use it to show effectiveness for total yards. The two can't overlap in what you are trying to get the data to say. Remove the sack numbers, because they aren't really relevant to trying to measure overall yardage performance.

People might not like talking about it anymore, but it doesn’t make it wrong.

It’s weird that Mahommes isn’t mentioned more due to a bunch of things: - It’s the most important position in football - Dude looks like a stud -He was literally picked with the Bills draft pick. - They traded away said draft pick with Mahommes still on the board. -Regency biased. - Literally every other single player listed doesn’t make the Bills roster nearly as improved as Mahommes does. - We could have used the increased draft capital in 2018 to build a better roster than we have now, rather than spending said capital on Allen and Edmunds.

JE is not getting in, at least he shouldn’t. I think Welker will and should.

My Dad and I have this discussion/argument all the time, but we come from very different athletic backgrounds. He played/plays a ton of hockey still, good but not great. I lived at the Olympic training center for a number of years in a different sport.l, and coached a few national championships as well If you ask me every time in sports, I take the physiology over the brain. You can coach the brain, you can’t coach DNA. However to be truly great, or at least better than/on par with your peers in pro sports, you need both. (This is the argument). You can’t will a 4.3 40. No matter how hard you train, some guys can do it and some guys can’t. It just is. Hopefully Duke works out. There have been a ton of grinders who lack the genetics, and a few genetic freaks who could never harness it. It is what it is.

I thought so too, especially the last 3rd of the game or so. I am willing to give Brady some benefit of the doubt because of his career. But I am hoping it’s a sign that next year he struggles mightily. I don’t want Brady to ride off into the sunset. I want him to have a terrible season where his body fails him. Where the heir apparent takes the reigns and Brady gets benched because of struggles. We deserve that in Buffalo. If that means he wins the Super Bowl in 2019/20, so be it. But I want that season.

They beat the no. 1 seed on the road this year....

Yes they would be. The AFCE is good for about 1 extra win every other year. Pats just won on the road in KC. Here is how the numbers read Brady vs: AFCE 81-21=.794 NFL 207-62=.769 NFL sans AFCE games 126-41 = .754

I actually don’t like Bud or Bud light at all. But they threw a ton of shade by name to Coors and Miller. It was ballsy and hilarious. I’m biased because my GF works for FIFCO/Labatt

That has literally never happened in the Brady era...... I would go the other way. The reason for the futility in the AFCE is because they have to play Brady twice per year. The division hasn’t really been as bad as it seems. I don’t think there are many if any teams that would find success against Brady that often. Hell, the guys SB win percentage is .666

This isn’t true. At least not how the numbers read. Brady vs: AFCE 81-21=.794 NFL 207-62=.769 NFL sans AFCE games 126-41 = .754 Basically the AFCE give Brady less than 1 win per year compared to the rest of the league. Closer to one win every other year.

Honestly, probably pretty much only done by the Pats only. Maybe one or two other teams. Anecdote time. The UW Huskies, mens rowing team, makes their interns and volunteer assistance compile the results for EVERY. SINGLE. HS. RACE. IN. THE. WORLD. down to the detail of every single athlete in every single boat, in every single event. Plus all of their measurables, age, and physiological testing scores. At one point they were the Pats of college rowing. They won every single race at the National Championships a few years in a row. They were untouchable. Still are to a certain extent. They haven’t finished out of the medals in what seems like a decade or more. Most power house teams will win once or twice. A couple years in the medals. Then some rebuild around 6-10 th place. Not Washington, their worst year in recent history is 3rd. They are absolutely the only team in the world that makes their staff do this.

Everybody keeps talking and hoping that this is Brady’s last year possibly. I don’t, even if that means him winning another SB. Buffalo and the division deserves to see Brady have a terrible season. To watch the floor fall out from under him, totally out of his control.

Chad Pennington was a shoulder surgery away from being a great QB.

Submitting over inflated footballs and hoping the refs miss it or let it slide is one thing. Taking the footballs back and adjusting them is another all together.

I fully agree with you on this. They are the GOATS. Their dynasty is something you have to give some respect to. We’ll never see it again.

What if we did both?

Thanks for all the depth and insight you’ve added to the conversation... Disagreeing is fine. People confuse that for trolling too often. This isn’t that.

Super unsure if you’re being a troll or serious. It was reported by the NBC, CBS, ESPN, NY Post, etc. Probably more true than you realize. It is a guy that got away with a very serious crime, murder (Spygate). But ended up doing time for something dumb like burglary of his own stuff (Deflategate). You nailed this one!

The real infraction, and possibly the tip of the larger iceberg, is that they didn’t just submit to the refs under inflated balls. They systematically stole them and tried to cover it up. The balls aren’t the issue, it’s how they did it.

Huh? It’s not a consipieacy theory. It was reported as part of spygate. His helmet mic never shut off inside 15”/ at the LoS. Doug Flutie mentioned that it surprised him when he accidentally grabbed Toms helmet one game. Tom Brady has always been good at seeing the field, but his learning curve was very different from every other QB in the league. There’s a very real argument to be made that he is exponentially better at it because of his “upbringing”. There is 100 links to this story from reputable sources, but I’ll drop one. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/from-cheating-claims-to-trash-talking-steelers-patriots-rivalry-full-of-bad-blood/ Real world example. You graduate from UNC with your MBA. Very good program, but it’s no Chicago, Harvard, or Wharton. You do well. You’re not top of your class but in the 5-10 range. You get a mid level job with a few of your fellow graduates at Amazon in some mid level supply chain role. You perform well on a few early projects. Bezos takes a liking to you. In fact, makes you the President and CEO. Except while you’re taking over the company, Bezos isn’t just a mentor to bounce ideas off. He’s proof reading all your emails, providing reports and financials, telling you how to handle your PNL’s, and what companies to acquire. Amazon keeps growing. Bezos disappears over some insider trading aligations. But you maintain your position as CEO and President. You do a fine job continuing to grow the company. Would you be the same President and CEO of you hadn’t had Bezos controlling your every business move for those years? Thats Tom Brady. Promising, talented, driven, but with an advantage when it comes to learning on the job that created who he is today. He is the GOAT, hands down, not close. I just question how he got there. Deflate gate was dumb BTW. I’m more upset by the underhandedness more than I am the result of the act. If you want to try and sneak by the refs when they check. Whatever. But if don’t systematically pull a fast one.

I generally agree with you. I think they “out-everything” the entire league. I don’t discount spy gate though. Not necessarily because of when they did it, but because the effects are so long lasting and career altering. Brady knowing the signals, calls, plays, and most importantly, keeping his helmet mic on, are the worlds greatest tutor when it comes to learning the game in the NFL. He got them all in live action. You can’t discount it in terms of his current ability to see the field. Would Tom have been great with out it? Sure, probably. Would he be the GOAT and play at such a high level mentally into his 40’s, like he is now? Unsure. At best it’s worth the conversation. At worst, Brady would have had a Rogers, Romo, Rivers, Manning, type career without that “tutoring” and “mentorship” during his early stages of his career.

Oh so could I...IF we upgrade BOTH pieces around him. Just sort of thinking out loud.

Of course Bodine graded out OK. The line went: LT- Decent/OK LG- Bad C-middling RG- bad on most days RT- middling How does Bodine grade out if we upgrade both guards to decent players and the A-gap becomes a much bigger target/responsibility for uncle Russ? I am pretty wary of players who grade out as “meh” on bad units in any sport. More often than not it seems it’s because it’s just much easier everywhere else.