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Honest question. Say we hold a team to 3 and out at their own 15.They punt, caught at the 50 returned to the 40, what does that do to the yards after 25? Even if he fair catches at the 50, does he still get a 25 yard credit?

You are right, he did get help from a bunch of those things. I think Brown and Beasley are WR 2 and 3 on that roster. You have to look at who those Seattle WR's were not who they became later on. And given all of those things, RW still did more. Hence the adjusted passer rating where Russ actually gets a much higher lift than Josh does. They are not similar players. They aren't similar passers. Russ throws with much more touch, anticipation, and consistency than Josh who throws most throws on a rope with much more force, and does so much more inconsistency. Lets not even get into mechanics.... They don't have similar running styles. Russ is elusive and does a good job of protecting himself. Josh runs with power and aggression, at times seems like he searches out contact. This doesn't mean Josh sucks, but I don't think there has been anybody on here who as agreed with your argument that they are "identical". People have agreed Josh's weapons failed him at times, his trajectory seems good, etc. But their congruence, nah.

Going of pure stats, Russ was a better passer in nearly every single metric. Won more games, better completion %, more TD passes, higher TD %, more first downs, higher first down %, more first downs on less passing attempts, one less game winning drive and 4th quarter comeback. In terms of rushing, he had less rushing TD's, but had more yards per carry and more yards and less carries. I couldn't find 2013 drop rate or frequency by team. The closes I could get was adjusted passer rating. Adjusted passing actually favors Wilson WAAAYYY more than Josh. Josh- 91(+6 pts) Russ- 119 (+23 pts) Call me crazy but maybe, just maybe, these things are the reason he was voted to the Pro Bowl....now bare with me here, and this is a reach, those things could also be part of the reason they also won 3 more games than Buffalo. Josh Allen is not nearly as good as Russell Wilson's 2nd year currently. It is what it is. Doesn't mean he is a failure or a bust.

I am OK with a vast majority of the last CBA, EXCEPT this part. There is absolutely no reason why players shouldn’t be allowed to (or even required) to be in the teams facility working with coaches on things like film, weights, and walk throughs for 60%+ of the off season. There is 6 months from the Super Bowl to training camp. It would make the product much better. There is lno other elite sport (professional or Olympic) that gets this much time off from their professional team or NGB coaches.

I still think he is the best QB from that draft class. That draft class was just historically bad. 99% of the time if you were told that you have a chance to draft the best QB in the draft at 16-ish, you would jump at it. I’m not saying we should have kept him, or was good. Just a different look at it. He didn’t wash out of the league. He retired under contract in KC with no interest of bouncing around the league as a back up.

This is a "what if" It will be in the form of either: 1. Not taking the 5th year option 2. Not offering him a new contract (compared to starting QB salary/contract negotiations) Or at least not one that they can't get out of/afford while looking for a replacement. They will then be looking for contingency plans whether it be through the draft, FA, or trade. I have said before, I like Josh, he is electric. When it comes time to re-sign in 4 years, he needs to make HUGE strides to get that contract. Take a look at this roster and subtract $30-40M of players from it. Then ask if we can win 10+ games every year with it.

Buffalo got in their own way in: -Jets 1 -Bengals - NE 1 -Titans -Browns - Jets 2 - Houston Seems to happen a lot....

Feels like Rutgers is another school the puts out a ton of players and coaches in a bunch of sports.

He is tied for 25th most 4th quarter game winning drives in a season. The list is really a mixed bag of QB's. As I read down I bounce between "oh that is cool" and "I totally forgot that guy ever played QB in the NFL" https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_single_season.htm

I agree. I am probably 60/40ish in agreeing with that post. Meaning I would be more surprised at 12-4 than 8-8 (2 gam swing) FWIW. But ultimately you are what your record says you are. I have some concerns on both sides of the ball I think the defense will take a small step back. They’ve had difficulty against the run and at getting off the field. I don’t think it will be huge, but the offense will need an major step to make up for it.

Inversely it means that this team is a few plays away from 8-8 because on any given Sunday in the AFC... 2 examples: 1. 1st jets game. It’s the only game we won where we lost the QB differential. Darnold also had mono. 2. TEN. They missed 4 field goals and had 2 TDS called back. Mariota was benched shortly after. We won 14-7.

Agreed. I was pointing out how non linear the thought processes is in like 4’ of football

The decision on that fake punt was wild, but kicked on 4th and 1 at the 20...

If Josh doesn’t have a big 4th/5th year where he can compete as an above average passer, the.l their won’t be a year 6. There is no way you give $35-40M to a 58% passer who puts the ball on the ground/throws interceptions about as often as he finds the end zone. Take 40M from this teams roster and ask if Allen can make up for it. Until that answer is yes, he doesn’t get a 6th year.

I was more responding to the stats he said were left out. I don’t disagree. At the same time NOTHING about Trubiskys game is being held back because of physical capabilities or limitations. Similar to Josh they both seem to have a gifted skill set, it’s just a matter of refining it for the NFL game. Just like Josh, there is no reason to expect that year 3 is Mitch’s peak, the same as we shouldn’t expect it from Mitch.

Mitch Trubisky has 1 less 4 quarter comeback to Josh Allen. They have near identical 3rd down conversion rates when passing. Mitch has the advantage by 0.2%. So I guess by your “important stats” they are still pretty similar...

That Tennessee defense has been pretty good all year and the offense has been quickly dangerous. Buffalo won 14-7, but even under Mariota TEN had 4 missed field goals and 2 TD’s called back.

Sounds about right. There are some things in common between Mitch and Josh. I think JA will turn out to be the better player.

This always sort of puzzled me with Yeldon. We went into every game with two backs, but one was aging pretty quickly as the season went on, and had proved not to be able to do much. Andre Roberts did a mediocre job at kick returns this year. Dimarco could be replaced on game day with any of our TE's. It would not have been that hard to make a spot for an RB3 who is capable of making a play or two on game day.

Just heard, good football team wants to keep as many of its good players as possible. BIG if true

I would think there is an implied "yet" or "for now" in those statements. No GM or HC is going to waiver on their 2nd year QB who had some pretty nice highs in their second year. I think Josh has to make another big jump or two for the FO to throw 35-40M his way. Beane also said something along the lines of "I hope Josh progresses to a point where we have to pay him a lot of money". They will commit to Josh for as long as they reasonably can.

We didn’t play Tom Brady. We played the Texans. So literally none of this matters

I don’t know if Watson wasn’t looking Hopkins way in the first half or coverage changed, but Tre was playing waaaaayyy off Hopkins in the second half. I didn’t get it.

Agreed. Just some weird stuff with the offense. Foster showed some ability last year. Total dud this year. Yeldon never played. Duke playing more than Beasley... I think there are a few things: 1. We’ve been productive doing some gimmicky things. Flea flicker, reverses etc. I think we rely on them so often because we aren’t consistently productive in a traditional sense. Inversely, they then disappear because you can’t build an offense for 16 weeks and a post season on those things 2. I think some of our inconsistencies is because we don’t have an offensive identity. Some of that is players. Some is coaching. Dabbol seems to be outsmarting himself. Our OL is bouncing week to week between zone blocking schemes. Personnel groups are just being tossed out the window randomly. (See Duke Williams in two random games) At some point you have to commit to something as a staple. Maybe it is because we aren’t really good at much? Chicken and the egg I guess...Obviously BD runs the offense so he takes a bunch of heat, but ultimately McD lets the circus continue for 16 weeks and a playoff game. He deserves equal blame for their blunders.

Probably around 10% +/- When you factor in the upgrades on that side of the ball and expected natural improvement with time in the league. While nothing on the offense is elite, we did severely upgrade hitsupporting cast. I think you have to take that into account. -Upgraded our OL from bad to average. -Upgraded our WR Corp from bad to meh (missing a big threat. Once we get that this is a very good group) -Singletary has been very good. Need another back. For the life of me I don’t know why Yeldon is always a scratch. -First full NFL offseason -2nd year in the same offense. I think he showed many more flashes of throwing with anticipation and controlling his velocity. He took off much less. His highs are better and a bit more frequent. There are times when his delivery is very good. He walks out on the field with his balls in a wheelbarrow. He still bails from clean pockets too soon. His accuracy can be erratic. Decision making can be odd at times. His basement came back on multiple occasions. I was hoping to see less of these moments. Mechanics are still messy. He’s shown growth, and as long as he keeps showing growth, you keep sticking with him with his rookie contract and 5th year option. He needs to be a much better passer before you start taking money away from the defense, OL, WR to pay him 40M in 4 years.