Mango

I would honestly consider vacating the rest of the season. It’s never been about the results, it’s always been the process. It’s institutional. Trying to pick up tells and signals is different that changing/creating/cutting out head set frequency. Psi of the football is meh to me. Submitting them to the ref high or low doesn’t matter. Coordinating their theft to adjust is terrible. Now, creating a TV show so you can have an excuse for videotaping calls...AGAIN!!!! This is strike 3. Spygate. Deflategate. Spygate 2.0. How can you let them compete for a championship this year after this. Forfeit the rest of the season. No playoffs. Vacate wins this year, give them away. If the NBA can remove an owner for racist remarks, the NFL can remove an owner for destroying the integrity of the game. Let them keep their picks, but dismantle their ownership, FO, and coaching staff.

I have been beating this drum for the last few weeks, basically since Cleveland. This game has the biggest effect on the Bills playoffs both positive or negative.

Just to be clear, I personally think this was one of his worst games of his career, and wasn't just bad. I was more commenting on fan reaction, than quality of play. He is basically getting a 1 game pass because of the last few weeks.

For the record, I don't think people are dejected after this game, just disappointed. Josh has been slowly getting better since the Patriots debacle. I think he looked like he had been hitting a nice stride the 2-3 weeks prior to Baltimore. We just expected his showing to be not exactly what we got against NE, and he failed to deliver. But I think the fan base is a bit higher on him now after this loss than they were the NE loss because of some of the progress he has shown. But as we know this league is "what have you done for me lately", and he just made his own leash shorter.

Dude, YOU ASKED WHY THE MEDIA WONT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF LAMAR'S INT !!!!!! I responded with a 3td game, 64% completion percentage, his ability to take over the game as a passer and a runner, the win streak they are on, etc. YOU ARE THE ONE CLINGING TO THE 3 TD GAME AMONG ALL THE OTHER POINTS OF REFERENCE. Lamar has had much better games, than just about any of JA's better games this year. JA's worst games are worse than just about all of Lamar's worst games this year. Lamar, has also been much more constant than JA in 2019. LJ will most likely win MVP this year. These are all part of the answer as to why nobody is going to call Lamar Jackson terrible after throwing a single INT (that resulted in 0 points) in a W where he also threw 3 other TD's. I have no idea what the hell you are trying to rally behind, or what point you are trying to prove. This just feels like arguing for the sake of arguing. What do you think the reasons are?

The original question I responded to was about why people aren't flaming over Lamar's 3 TD day, in an offense that begins and ends with his production both through the air and on the ground. If you think its stupid or some media conspiracy for fake news, go right ahead, but that is why Lamar isn't being ripped apart for a single INT yesterday. You don't have to like it, but that is why.

I mean, did you read what he was quoting. Feels like this board is more mellow about criticism of JA after this loss. I suspect it is because the last few weeks have been much better. That said, Watson has had more moments where he has played much better than JA. He also has a larger sample size. Allen has had more moments where he has looked much worse than Watson. Hopefully that is the answer you were looking for.

I listed a bunch of reasons why LJ isn't being judged the same way as Josh. You chose just one....And yes throwing 3 TD's against 1 turn over in a win, will garner you less criticism than 1 TD and 1 turn over. I am unsure if you actually don't understand that or just don't want to except it.

You won't hear about it because Lamar also threw 3 TD's, completed 64% of his passes, they won the game, and LJ has had moments this season where he has been absolutely unstoppable against and on a 9 game win streak. The Buffalo offense was bad as a whole. Josh has 1 TO and 1 score, completed well under 50% of his passes, been up and down all year, and has had some very good games, but nothing as dominant this year as LJ has had. When Josh becomes more consistent, the media will be more willing to give him a pass on bad days, until then they will question if days like yesterday are defining moments.

Agreed. Reminded me a bit of the Carolina game a few years ago.

It had to be the 12 men in the huddle, that led to 3rd and goal from the 4 rather than 3rd and goal from the 9, which could have saved 7 points. I might be wrong, but I think the PI was inside 2 minutes. Unsure if PI is also relegated to the 2:00 rule. That might be why he didn't throw the flag.

We did call a bunch of screens, many of which were absolutely maddening. Our screen game is pretty terrible even with guys like Singletary, Mckenzie, and Foster. It has been bad all year, I don't really understand it. I am unsure if Josh just kept looking deep, trying to make something happen, or there was just a total lack of digs, slants, and crossers. Those would have been really helpful in holding the blitz off. It was clear by about the 4:00 mark that the game plan was trash on offense. Which is concerning given 10 days to put one together.

Most had a TD (except Watson, Dalton, Goff) Everybody threw a pick, Josh did not, but he dd lose a fumble Josh threw for the least yards Josh had the worst Y/A Josh had the worst completion percentage I do not understand the comparable. Dude had a very bad game against a good defense. It is OK, as long as it does not become a pattern moving forward. I don't understand the need for everybody to say he did fine. He didn't. He was bad. Play calling was bad. Offensive line was bad. All of these things can be true, and it does not have to be a pie/mutually exclusive. He has been better the last 3 weeks. Concerning to have this bad of showing against very good defenses. Hopefully this does not become a pattern. We will find out against Pitt and NE, whose DVOA are both better than Baltimore. If JA lays another clunker against Pitt and NE 2.0, there is cause for concern. If he can carve at least one of them up, it is just part of the maturation process.

Average QB Play against the Ravens Defense: 21/35- 219 yards- .85 TD/.85 INT- 5.8 yards/per attempt Josh Allen: 17/39- 146 yards- 1 TD/0 INT- 3.75 yards per attempt Our QB did not in fact perform to average performance against the Baltimore defense.

C is average. This is what people think average QB play looks like in the NFL?

The Pitt D is up there via DVOA with NE, SF, and BAL. I expect the offense to struggle again. Bills have struggled bad against the top 5 Defenses on the road. But Allen has been better in the road. We need a win before heading into Gillette.

The only other defense with a DVOA in the top 10 is NYJ, and that was week one. Pitt is ranked above Baltimore. We’ve struggled quite a bit against defenses ranked up there. Much worse than a coin flip and leaning to bad.

I agree, he has been better the 2-3 weeks before today. I have posted it here multiple times. Today was terrible.

he regularly left the pocket to early. Rolled left when he should have gone right, and right when he should have gone left. Had poor pocket presence, and held onto the ball too long. The Oline was bad today, yes, but we’ve seen guys in the NFL do much better with much worse. Watson very quick comes to mind.

How has our offense done against top tier defenses?

We got our assssessss handed to us today. The score does not due the pounding this offense took justice. “That was as bad as any offense is capable of”-Eric Wood

so you’re saying we are coming out of Pitt and NE with W’s. I’ll take it! But seriously, we will find out over the next 3 weeks. This team is capable of beating up on or getting the shyte kicked out of them but just about any team in the NFL.

It’s Allen’s biggest fault, lack of control with his arm. He throws too hard and too fast all the time. Take a look at Mahomes, he has the ability to throw with nearly identical velocity, but he uses that ability pretty sparingly. The deep ball accuracy is not the disease, it’s the symptom. Fouts mentioned it multiple times today, with a bunch of other criticisms of Allen’s play today that I was fair.

This is a tough thread right after this performance. Yes refs were bad, but they’re the only reason we made it to the red zone. The offense needed to be better today, everything else is a distant second.

both things can be true