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I mean, Daboll is a problem. But right now I think QB play is a bigger issue. I’ve seen the report card thread where everybody is in a circle jerk for giving Allen a B+ for having a game where he throws 185 yards, 2 TD’s and no turn overs. That’s the most milquetoast performance ever. Some guy on reddit said Allen was ON FIRE the last 3 weeks...on fire. Averaging less than 200 yards per game, 60% completion, and 2 TD’s. It is adequate.

You rotate guys often so you don’t have to during pivotal moments. Schwartz had a good feel for it while he was here. Rex was terrible at it. Haven’t noticed it one way or another with McD, which generally means he’s timing it properly.

Huh? They cleared a playoff roster, and devoted a bunch of draft capital into picking him. Next year will be the start of the regimes 4th and Allen's 3rd season. The entire line of discussion was sort of a "what if" Allen does not take another step next year, does the FO keep their job, if so how... So simply, I guess yes, I would tie a 4th year FO and Staff to a consistently middling offense. I have no idea what you are talking about. HAHA

FO, not Allen.

Just looking at next years schedule, assuming the team (offense in particular) is about the same as they are this year, I don't see them winning more than 9 games. Not including the divisional games, and if the season ended today, it is Texans, Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Cardinals. Staying the course on 3000 yards passing, 1:1 TD/INT ratio, and hovering around .500 in year 4, won't keep you around very long either.

I don't think they need to be gone. They just need to admit the mistake and be prepared to move on. This city largely loves this FO. If they can be prepared next year to pull Allen, and still win 10+ games (Dalton?) on a tough schedule, they could and should stay. Myself, I am sick of the turnover, I have been critical of some the FO moves (and still am), but this FO is good enough to put together a good football team if they can nail the QB position. If Allen shows continued growth, and proves to be a top 12ish QB in year 3, then none of this matters.

Not that it was your overall point, but this is false. They are the 7th oldest team in the league right now. This regime lives and dies by either their ability to get elite production out of Allen, or their willingness to move on from him if they don't. If we are still having the same conversations about Allen at the end of next season that we are having in the middle of this one, McB needs to be willing to pull the trigger. I am also curious how they would allocate assets. To get Allen, they cleaned out the roster. They can't afford to do that again, we don't really have much depth. They will have to be willing to gamble with draft capital without losing talent.

I don't see that at all. I see Allen as total boom or total bust. He either makes it as an upper echelon franchise QB or washes out of the league entirely. He isn't really a caretaker of the football. He isn't a cerebral player. He doesn't throw with much precision/accuracy/precision. He has difficulty operating a standard NFL offense. Allen was a polarizing prospect because of his skill set and will most likely have a polarizing career.

If I am Buffalo, I actually consider this move in the offseason to improve the QB room. This isn't a bad football team, but it isn't very good either. Next year we will need better QB play to win 10+ games. Allen will either be good enough by then, or we will be talking about drafting a new one in 2021. Dalton could be a good insurance policy for 2020. 2020 Opponents: MIA x2 NYJ x2 NE x2 DEN KC OAK ARI LAC LAR SF SEA PIT (if the season ended today) HOU (if the season ended today)

Today's young professionals are living where they can afford, and where available housing stock is. So they are filling in the donut in some respects. However most data indicates this is based on income bracket, not an actual choice. Once people have the income for home ownership, they aren't actually purchasing any stock in city limits. There is almost no data to suggest that Buffalo in particular, is having any sort of rebound other than age of residents. It is still losing population every year, going on 70 years now. (Fun Fact: Buffalo takes in 3-5k refugees yearly and growing, and they are still losing population). In fact, cost of living in Buffalo is increasing at a rate higher than the national average, however jobs and income in the region have remained stagnant or dropped the last 10 years. I will get off my soap box now.

Our problems on offense are NOT because of weather.

I pegged this team at about 9 wins to start the season. I think we are 2 called back touch downs/4 missed field goals against TEN and a Big Ben injury away from that being the case. That said- just about any game is winnable for this team, depending on how the defense shows up. If the D shows up at full potential 65% of the time, they'll win 65% of their games. Which is what this season is looking like. That concerns me though. We have invested a first round pick for 3 straight years onto that side of the ball. We have 8 players on defense drafted in the first 2 rounds. Granted not all by us. We should be good on that side of the ball Tre Oliver Edmunds Hughes Lawson Star L Jordan Phillips Murphy

It has been a minute for me. Depends on what your jam is. Delilahs is a little bit closer to an Essex St. or dive feel. Lincoln Station is closer to Coles.

Snark aside, this isn't just about this year. Under the current regime, this team has not had a win against an opponent over .500 since week 6 of last year, against a 9-7 Titans team. It is a reasonable talking point, since it isn't specific to 2019. You would then have to go back to 2017 to get our next win vs. a team over .500 Bonus Stat- In that 2018 Titans game- Josh Allen through for 82 yards and ran for 19. (Solid C+ performance according to the report card thread. One turn over and did enough to win)

He has 3 wins against teams that finished the year over .500. The two you mentioned, then TEN last year, who finished 9-7. No wins over a team over .500 to this point in the season. We will have to see how TEN does to see how that one plays out...

I think we are on the same page here. I don't get the hype on a guy with 20 total NFL carries. I think at best he projects to a change of pace back. With an offense that struggles with consistency (That is putting it nicely), I think the safe bet is Gore where he gets you a couple yards every time he touches the ball. You are probably right that DS struggles in traffic or between the tackles.

Apologies, it has been a long day. It doesn't concern me. I get it, technically it is less shots/depth because the numbers say so. But there are two QB's who have been able to be 10+ air yards per attempt in multiple seasons. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jameis Winston. That said, Guys like Wilson, Watson, Rogers, Mahommes seem to hang around 8.5-8 +/-.. Brady and Brees seem to have been living in the 7.5 to 8 range. Seems like you need to be between good enough/capable and profecient.

JESUS CHRIST DUDE... It was in response to the below, but you ignored that, and continue to harp on it. The thing at issue is that if a D is worried about your deep passing attack, they can't stack 8 in the box every single play. Josh Allen isn't making any D coordinators worried about that. He will complete a couple per game that go for 25 yards but that's more the receiver getting YAC Josh is attempting more air yards than 2/3 of the league. That stat line is relevant to the original post I was commenting on, who is saying DC's don't worry about it because we are not throwing it. In fact, our air yards per attempt are at the top of the league. I understood your original gripe with my response, so provided additional information to tell a complete story. (Which was actually already in this thread before you continued down this path) You ignored it twice now. This is a useless endeavor. You win, ya got me on a quick response from my phone.... feel better now?

You highlighted a single line. I went through a bunch of stats in that quote, and the first, Air Yards per Attempt, was in reference to people commenting about the offense not attempting balls down field. We are, and on average Allen is attempting long throws, more often, than about 2/3rds of the league. Sure he is down from 11 yards per attempt to 9 yards and change. 11 hasn't been sustainable for an QB in the league. Asking as much is futile. Allen is about average when it comes to average air yards per completion- he is in good company, but average none the less. His air yard differential (between average attempt, and average completion) is among the worst in the NFL.

There are only 2 backs in the league getting 25 touches or more per game. It is Fournette and McCaffery. That said...I look at it differently. Rarely do coaches have a guy on the sideline who is capable, but not used. The larger gaffe is that the FO and coaching staff didn't evaluate the talent properly and are reeling from a bad off season/pre season decision. I am not sure Singletary was ever ready to be a feature back. Our carries(not touches) per game should have gone: ~10-15 to Shady ~10-15 to Gore ~5 to 10 Singletary Singletary and Gore's carries flip flop depending on game flow.

Am I the only one who would: 1. Be happy to have a real feature back on this offense to help JA and.... 2. Worried about giving up assets for a UFA next year and... 3. Wonder WTF was the point of releasing Shady, to just go ahead and trade assets, mid season, for his replacement. The FO is botching the RB position this year, almost as badly as they botched the QB room in 2018...

Averaging 11 yards intended per attempt (2018), is not a sustainable metric to hit. Allen is average-ish (and in decent company, tied with Rogers) in terms of average completion yards. But is one of the worst in the league when it comes to air yards per attempt/air yards per reception differential.

Josh Allen is 9th in the league in "Intended Air Yards per Attempt" The issue isn't that we aren't trying. The issue is we aren't connecting on them. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all#average-intended-yards

That is actually not true. He is 9th in air yards per attempt and 21st in air yards per completion. So he is throwing them as much or more than most QB's in the league. But is also as bad at completing them as anybody in the league. He is also 33rd in the league in differential between average attempt vs. average completion This is a wonky stat, where he ranks above Patty Mahommes. But other than Mahommes, he only beats out an injured Big Ben, an injured Mason Rudolph, Fitz, Kyle Allen, Darnold, and Rosen.

I am so confused. So far today Bills fans (not all you) are: - Blaming the OC for neutering Josh Allen. Playing the short and underneath routes rather than too his strengths - Wind kept Josh from playing well - Saying Josh Allens crappy comp % is OK because he took more shots... - Needing Julio Jones and Gronk 2.0 for Josh to be successful.