Mango

"Oh, well OK, since you asked. Otherwise I was definitely planning on being fumble prone" - Devin Singletary, probably

HOLY SHHHH. Girls, not too bright, because then you can trick em'. 14-18 years old is my wheel house. That is terrifying.

Whhhaaaaatttt? An A? He did enough to win, but didn’t play well at all. C-

I thought he had some good things to say about Allen. Like actual positive things. His best commentary was about Joshs footwork on some bad throws. Then on good throws he pointed out how good Josh can be when he gets those things right. Thought he was fair with JA tonight.

I mean, to each their own. I also don’t think God is taking sides in NFL football games and blessing one team with INT’s or victories over another.

Does McD always point to the sky/Jesus every time something good happens? He did it a TON tonight

There are Daboll apologists?

Collinsworth compared Tre to Dion and Gilmore. Dope!

Im not pleased with the offense at all tonight, and didn’t like the first series on D. But let’s cool that. Game is far from over.

Hit him in the hands at his ankles. Could he catch it? Sure. Are we taking some liberties with “hit him in the hands”? Absolutely. I get it. Our WR’s need to do a better job at helping out Josh. But making lots of tough catches isn’t sustainable. Throwing better passes is thought

I get the Collinsworth hate. But I thought his comment on JA’s footwork was a good note on why that ball short hopped.

NFL QBs getting paid to not throw a ball 3 feet over their open WR’s heads. Bad throw AND a bad catch. It can be both.

I mean, we just a fairly mediocre out route by a mile...it’s not just the deep stuff sometimes

Did Tre say his college was “The Tre White Goalie Academy” love this dude

Maybe a stupid question, but how are waivers ranked? Is it just by record or is it like the playoffs and division leaders are closer to the top even if they’re .500?

The 5th year option isn’t that old and only applies to first rounders. There have been quite a few. I mean I guess you’re right, teams afraid of carrier ending injury and bad QB’s don’t pick it up. 7/14 were picked up. So half. Option not given to: Brandon Weeden Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Jake Locker EJ Manuel (only first round pick) Johnny Maziel Teddy Bridgewater

You are absolutely right, currently the case. But when you look the current QB market, and young guys coming off their rookie deals are taking up to 20% of the teams cap space, you will most likely either get into garbage time or get into shootouts.

I don't think people want or expect him to throw 300 yards week in or week out. Or at least I don't, you become too one dimensional all the time. Rather would like to see him own a game if we do need to go there in a shoot out. Not to rehash old wounds/threads, but Josh is pushing pretty low on the list of starts to 300 yards. Right now he is at 24. The only QB's since 1998 who lasted 6 years and/or had 20 starts in the league who failed to hit a 300 yard game by now are: Vince Young (25) Charlie Batch (27) Tyrod Taylor (29) Alex Smith (36 David Garrard (40) Seneca Wallace (never) Kellen Clemens (never) Trent Edwards (never) David Fales (never) Again- hitting early doesn't mean anything, but it seems hitting late is not great.

I agree with you to a certain extent. I would much rather have Josh than Duck moving forward. I think Josh is a better QB because of his legs, his arm strength, and his intangibles. But to play devils advocate, I think we all wish that in the Baltimore game Josh took some more safe underneath stuff, and that his bombs were 50/50 balls (which they weren't). You don't get bonus points for missing more difficult throws vs. completing easier passes.

I don't think it is an agenda. Via the numbers, TD, TD:INT, Per Attempt, and Comp %, he is playing better over 4 games, than Josh has over 13 this season. The sample size is small. It is a bit of click bait, but it isn't necessarily wrong, and does not mean that their careers will follow that trajectory. He is bound to lay No need to get our panties in a bunch. He is bound to lay a few clunkers against Buffalo and Baltimore...god knows what happens in that Jets game. The numbers will play out.

I think we are very much on the same page. Glad you posted, much easier than half replies in another thread.

Sorry, part of my point was, I don’t think he is a very accurate/precise passer in general because of the issues I said above. I think a large part of the perception of being more accurate in the short/intermediate is just shifting what types of passes he is throwing a majority of the time, not making huge strides as an actual thrower. I thought I was seeing a change the last three weeks , but then Sunday happened and I am wondering if I was wrong. He’s made some improvements in addition to taking some of the underneath stuff. But he’s moved the needle from a 52% passer to a 59% passer. I really liked his last 3 weeks before Baltimore. But Sunday was a rough one.

I am not so sure the issue last year was with the short to intermediate stuff. It seemed to be a matter of learning to take it rather than a matter of delivering it. If I recall, wasn't JA near the top of the league last year in average yards per attempt last year. Josh's issues seem to have always been controlling his velocity, mechanics, ball placements, and reading the defense quicker (which velocity bails him out on a lot). I don't think it has ever been as simple as "he can't throw the short stuff". It is the other big picture/fundamental stuff that has been holding him back as a passer, not granular specific throws. Which is why I would think BOTH deep and intermediate routes would have improved this year because it really is the base layer.

I could be wrong, I think he is more talking about Lamar running the option. Still, if a mobile QB wants to pretend like they either have the ball and are making a throw, or pretend like they are running the ball off tackle, they should be treated as if they actually have the ball.