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Haha. That’s why I said culturally.

Do I want him to? yes. Do I think he has the physical skill set to do so? Yes, and so did a lot of other failed QB’s. . If I had to put my mortgage On the line as to whether he will pan out? no I don’t think he will. But that doesn’t mean I am rooting against him. I would love to be wrong. I weighted @Kirby Jackson point incorrectly. I took his biggest grievance as comparing Allen to Trubiski as being unfair in general. His biggest gripe is unnecessary click bait. Which I agree with, especially for a site that prides itself in analytics. We will have a better idea of which way Allen is trending after his third year and PFF chose to rule up fans with a catchy headline.

This is fair. I can get behind that. Maybe I am romanticizing the PFF of old. But it feels like not that long ago they made a name for themselves by collecting good data and releasing the broad level stuff to the public and making the more granular stuff paid for. Then have maybe an article behind the payroll breaking down metrics that point one way, the other, or both. They are slowly starting to lose me to, and gaining pace. Honestly, a twitter poll from ESPN asking “Will Josh Allen look more like 3rd year Favre or 3rd year Trubiski in his junior season?” Would be fine, because ESPN isn’t trying to present themselves as the football analytic bible. Also it’s a fair talking point on both sides.

I think this algorithm will always “favor” QBs like the 2019 version of Allen. High drop rate and low completion percentage. A team that scores more with greater regularity in completion percentage will have less to “gain” or adjust for.

Unsure I’ve explained myself well. He has improved. That is tangible. But he hasn’t proven himself to have totally ruled out going full Trubisky, Bortles, and 20 other QBs over the years. He also hasn’t done anything to say he’ll step back like those guys did either. This is a bit of a what if year for him. By most metrics Josh is a bottom ranked QB. Because of that Bills fans have to take some criticism on the chin, it’s partially deserved. I don’t think it’s insulting, nor do I think (Hope) it’s permanent.

I am a fan of analytics. It’s not just for “nerds”. The recent need for moving into the ESPN area of hot takes is low brow from PFF. I will agree with that. It discredit some of the good work they have done. But in regards to your comment...Meh. Allen is looking like he has the ability to improve but hasn’t put guys like Trubiski and Bortles decline far enough in the rear view to rule it out. Some may “billieve” but fact of the matter is he hasn’t proven to be better yet. Just a lot of what ifs.

I mean if you’re going to go that far, they could’ve helped the 7-9 Giants along. The Jets (some bad optics with the name there) were also 10-6. Both teams linked culturally to NYC.

I literally have no idea what that is supposed to mean...

Fake news. I read it right here. Josh Allen is the most criticized player in history.

I must have missed that. I know there was a separate conversation about allowing kids to keep eligibility if they weren’t drafted. And I swear this one started as just cancelling the supplemental draft all together. (Did the title change) Either way, it’s fine with me. The NFL is not beholden to change their hiring practices based on a situation that hasn’t played out from the NCAA. And as I said earlier. I’m nearly 100% confident the NCAA will extend the eligibility rules for fall sports because they’ve already done it for spring sports. Nobody is losing their career. If the NCAA season is cancelled, none of these kids are going to “lose” their football career. They’ll have another year to play if they choose.

As of right now the NCAA is allowing spring sports to reuse their final year of eligibility and maintain scholarship money without counting towards the mandated max based on sport. The only thing the supplemental draft does is allow people who lost their eligibility after the date they needed to declare have teams bid on them with future draft picks. They are still welcome to sign as UDFA’s. This is waaaay overblown. EDIT:Just to clarify. Nobodies college career is in jeopardy. I am sure that the NCAA will extend eligibility/scholarships out another year to any sports effected in the fall. They’ve already done it for spring sports.

I don’t think the players in the supplemental draft have eligibility. It’s only players that have been deemed ineligible since after the deadline to declare for the draft. I could be wrong on that though. There’s only been 46 players selected since 1977. Like 5 players per year enter it, and maybe one gets drafted. People just like to whine about the NCAA because they like to forget the student part in student-athlete. It’s also the cool thing to do to hate on the NFL and scream about CoNsPiRaCiEs. This literally has no impact on the NFL and doesn’t protect the NCAA/NFL in the least.

They are more than welcome to pursue their football career. But if they leave and it fails, they have to pay for the remainder of their degree. The NFLs draft age/time in college is no different than a job qualification being listed as must have MBA, BA/BS, 6 years work experience in X position/field, etc. I can’t go be a rep for Labatt, Anheiser Busch, etc. unless I am 21 either.

Ah, so the 1993 version of Brady is just a system QB.

Are there actual people that think Kelly was better than Marino? He is easily the greatest QB without a ring and retired like 20 years ago.

I would feel better about it if there was say, some sort of NFL sanctioned pre-declaration seminar. Where regional scouts, GM's, coaches, whoever, from NFL teams just sit down with some of these kids and say "Hey, love the skill set you are building. Love that you want to take it to the next level. We have a 7th round grade on you. There is a a 85% chance you don't make a roster right now and your career is over with no degree. You want to prove to us how hungry you are to play at the next level. Wow us next season. Your footwork/route running/ flexibility blows. Make sure next year when we have this conversation those things aren't an issue and I tell you I hope you are still on the board on day 2 when our pick comes around". It could be like an old folks home for retired GM's, or guys who just aren't working in the league anymore. What is Polian, Gill Brandt, Whaley, Pat Kirwin etc. really doing these days? I am sure they are still watching tons of tape and could definitely get behind doing regional college scouting.

Whoops, I meant RS sophomores or true juniors.Good catch. Either way leaving school and risking your college degree/another year of eligibility when you are projected to be a low round pick (and have MAYBE a 50% chance of making a team) or becoming an UDFA (and have an even smaller chance of making the team) is a really bad idea. There is no amount of legislation from the NCAA or NFL that will change that.

Yes he red shirted his freshman year, but he also got a degree and graduated in 4. Good point though. I think I would be OK for going back for your final year of eligibility if you had a degree in hand. I was more thinking of true sophomores and juniors.

I agree. It doesn't hurt anything by allowing it. But it probably changes who actually gets drafted by 0% so it doesn't hurt by keeping it either. The inverse situation. You are a junior with a low draft grade so you roll the dice. You get scooped up in the 6th round. Chances are you don't actually make the roster. Now you are also ineligible to play college ball and you are right back where you started. This rule doesn't actually effect anybody getting drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds.

I mean sure I am with you...I guess. I just think there a few to zero students that this applies to.

Jim Harbuagh thinks the NFL should remove the minimum age/college requirement to enter the draft as well as allow undrafted kids to go back and play for their school. Removing minimum age/college requirement: I don't really care. I mean I wish there was more emphasis on getting degrees, but it really is not the NFL's job to push that, so remove it for all I care. From a physiological stand point, it is a violent game played by grown men. Seems like a bad idea to throw a 19 year old in the NFL. That said, if you have a 3rd round grade or better, and you want to leave school to go give it a try, that is up to you. There is a chance you make a life changing amount of money you may never get back if you get injured or stop progressing. Undrafted kids going back to school: This feels like a non-issue to me. My feels sensor says almost all UDFA's are seniors. I couldn't find a good list so I just went through Arizona's UDFA list and they were all seniors, as I expected. It is not like these guys have no idea what their draft grades are before they declare. Seems really unnecessary to allow athletes to declare and go back to school and is probably in the institutions favor and not the athletes. I am unsure what it provides. It isn't like there are a bunch of sophomore's with a 3rd round grade declares and wakes up needing to apply for student loans and no football team to play for. Just spit balling here, but maybe the NFL/NCAA sponsors a program for all college kids with NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's to provide some insight into when and if they should declare for the draft as underclassmen. I wouldn't trust an agent to do that just because they are chasing a paycheck. But the regional scout for an NFL team might tell an anxious underclassman to stay in school, they only see them as a 6th rounder. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29146934/michigan-coach-jim-harbaugh-wants-college-football-players-flexibility-nfl-draft?platform=amp

It is the offseason and we are all locked inside so I will stoke the fire a bit.... Josh has gone 27 starts in the NFL since he entered the league, without a 300 yard game. There are only 4 players since 2000 who have started their career and gone longer to throw for 300. -Player Name (First 300 yard game) - David Garrard (40th start) - Alex Smith (36th start) -Tyrod Taylor (29th start) - Trent Edwards (33 starts and no 300 yard game)- No other player has been given so many starts (since 2000) without EVER having a 300 yard game in their career than Trent Edwards. He retired with 0. I will just hide over here in my bunker while everybody yells at me.

I sort of agree. I would put the Titans in a toss up a lot depends on Tannehill capturing the same magic/efficiency. I also think that applies to Pitt. Bills had a good defensive game, but a not 3rd string QB and there is a chance it goes the other way. A lot depends on Big Ben. I am 65% we sweep the Jets. I have a hard time writing of a Greggo defense and we had trouble beating them week 1 last year. I am guessing the Bills are a better team, but with a harder schedule will probably match or go 9-7 compared to last year. I think the defense takes a bit of a hit. I am trying to dig it up, I posted it over the winter. I broke down our defense vs. each QBs average passer rating in the league and their performance vs us against their average QBR for the season. If I recall correctly top half QB's had better than season average days against us, bottom half had below average days against us. There may be some concern going against Wilson, Mahomes, Garapolo, Big Ben. We should be fine against Stidham, Tyrod, Fitz/Tua. I am guessing Darnold has one good day and one bad day. I would probably put him in a toss up category with Tannehill, Carr, Goff, and Murray.

Agreed. Plus you add Gronk. Their defense was good last year and their offense was electric (when Winston wasn’t turning the ball over)

It is a pretty easy primtime schedule. with Arians/Brady on offense and if their defense can have another good year, they will get a bunch of hype nationally because of it. I would be surprised if they don't come out of that 4-1 on national TV. Week 5- Thurs- @ Bears Week 7- Sunday- @ Raiders Week 8- Monday- @ Giants Week 9- Sunday- vs. Saints Week 11-Sunday- vs. Rams