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Honest question. If Allen returned the entire offense from 2019 with zero changes or improvements, other than his own, what do you predict his 2020 stat line is? What metrics are improved and by how much? (note: none of this is to say he has not improved or will not improve)

It’s a totally different scenario. Bills were coming off of two super bowl losses. One of which Kelly got cocking and stopped handing off the ball, and Reich was at the helm for the greatest comeback in NFL history. I wouldn’t treat it as evidence of a pattern or fault a fan base for voting to keep playing the hot hand.

We’ve really come a long way since the drought. Trent Edwards once said his favorite actress was Dakota Fanning. This is a pre-draft write up in 2006/7 most likely Fanning would have been 12 or 13 which is wild. (I think I remember hearing that the Fannings are family friends of the Edwards and he was just trying to be nice.) https://gostanford.com/sports/football/roster/trent-edwards/4799

Maybe McD should have thought about that before trading their LT and WR1. Or before they failed to resign Woods and Goodwin. They could have taken a minute before they cut Shady for Gore. It’s not like they inherited a roster devoid of talent. They did all that and their replacements were Zay effing Jones and Kelvin “Buffet Line” Benjamin. And who was originally going to throw to this star studded line up you ask? Nathan ***** Peterman. 2018 was an absolute blunder that is nobodies fault other than this regimes. They have rebounded nicely and aggressively, but they, nor Josh, get a handicap because they messed up.

I get it. He is a bit fragile. I also get that players play injured. But not everybody can be Favre. Injuries add up. A hurt foot can lead to a bad hip. A bad hip might not let you plant correctly to avoid a tough hit. Just reading through his entire history, I would not be surprised if the guy starts in September he breaks in half by October. Production aside, if the guy took a year or a season to get his body right, he could probably play for a decade. This kinda tough guy/iron man trash from “old school” football guys is total BS and has probably ruined more careers over the years than Tua’s.

They guy hasn’t played football in what? 4 months? And he can’t pass a physical to play? At what point do we start pointing very serious fingers at the staff at Bama?

It can happen from just super quick natural gains as well. Although I would guess this is from PED's.

I also think he might be the best QB from that draft. I know he isn’t in the league anymore, but it’s not because he wasn’t on a roster, it’s because he decided to retire rather than be a career back up.

Fair point if we are casually discussing players and drafts. But to make the point about a possible HOF player and a pro bowler on a WORST DRAFT PICKS OF ALL TIME thread is so far out in left field.

Huh? WG rushed for 1100,1200, and 990 yards while he was here. Then made 2 pro bowls after he left. Thats just a wild accusation. You had me until Lynch and McGahee. I can sorta get McGahee. He didn’t play for a year, but he was still good. Lynch was an All-Pro back. We never should have traded him.

I think All or Nothing on Amazon is a better show. It follows them through the entire season. So you see a bunch of weekly prep, what it is like to to get on a winning streak, losing streak, etc.

I’ve said it before, the NFL should roll coaching, scouts, and training staffs into. And I think it makes sense in this discussion. I think it makes sense for this discussion as teams would have to decide whether player identification, progression, health etc. is more important, or is it the player themselves. Might make sense to go a similar route as the NBA with imposing a max contract but each side of the ball. So 2 per team, regardless of position. Then a positional max after that. It then gives teams the freedom to decide if they would rather pay a single stud WR, CB, edge rusher, or better to fill out with decent depth.

Congrats to @GunnerBill for his 10' pole! His wife must be very happy.

He was picking up a truck and trailer that he assumed was registered with the DoT because you know, it’s his living. Had it been registered he would have gotten out as essential. I assume pilots fall under this. In regards to video conferencing and security. I used to work for RSA, they are booming. For conferencing, I sell this now, Zoom is a mess right now but they are popular. Places like hospitals are having issues. But that’s always been an issue, just more people are aware of it. Use “Vidyo” if you are dealing with sensitive information.

I think this is "the hate" that people refer to. The entire country is debating if Dak is worth the contract and pontificating whether Dallas should move on or if it is fair value. But question whether you think Josh is currently either worth a similar contract or will hit that level of production, and all hell breaks loose. It is not hating, it is literally the entire point of an internet message board. Question away. EDIT: Second quote- I totally agree with. I really like Josh Allen. I love him as a person, as an athlete, and as the leader of this team. I dislike Josh Allen the passer. He makes some wildly impressive throws at times. I would rather him be more consistent and efficient than get better at more WOW throws in order for me to be all in on him being the messiah.

I mean, poop, I have a friend who was asked to fly into Texas for work for some emergency work, he is a transporter (logistics/shipping). His employer called it an emergency and booked the flight so he thought it was OK. As soon as he got off the plane he was greeted by a federal marshal who told him he now was not allowed to leave the state for 14 days. He could have gotten out, but the load he was carrying did not have any DOT numbers (which he did not realize before he took the load), so he could not get an exception for essential personnel.

I think this is exactly at the heart of the argument for Josh. He is getting better. He’s done some good things. But some think he hasn’t done enough to get the next contract based on how much QB’s get paid this year. It’s not that he shouldn’t be allowed to grow or the team should move on yet. This past years supporting cast on offense is a pretty good measure for him. Average OL. Just under average talent. You pay Josh what QB’s get plus our coaching staff being partial to the defense. That’s what you get. An average OL, Brown and Beasley (or maybe Diggs, Foster McKenzie). Will Josh be able to flourish if that is the cast. We don’t know, and it’s a message board so people are prognosticating. You could take it a step further. This franchise was close to trash for 20 years and the fan base was still supportive through thick and thin. Other cities would not have been so kind.

I love Josh the leader and the person. He is electric to watch play football. But I have yet to like Josh the passer. At times I think he needs to work on his consistency. At worst, he’s not a quality passer of the football. I think that’s a fair place to be. I do think we should look at his rate of improvement. And he has absolutely improved in some areas, just not there yet. I also think we should measure Josh’s improvements outside of upgraded surrounding cast. So last season we upgraded the OL and WR from bad to average/meh. Did we see a significant improvement above supporting cast? Similarly, if Josh got 0% better this season (which I don’t expect) but the OL has another year of continuity and adding Diggs makes his WR Corp top flight, what are we expecting in terms of production just because of cast. Anything above that is Josh. Obviously it is difficult to provide clear lines and is much more nuanced, but I think it is important to keep in mind. I think Diggs and the OL alone should be about 4% completion and 600 more passing yards-ish

I agree with this and I started this thread. Haha If Watson leaves Houston, and that’s a HUGE if, I would imagine it is a tag and trade. But yes, unlikely.

Also I believe he is under contract for 17M.

Because your allegiance is to your team, so you would rather upgrade the position (in your opinion) for the Buffalo Bills. Where as his allegiance is to Josh Allen, regardless of possibly (or not in his opinion) upgrading the position.

Meh Cassel ™️®️ Credit where credit is due my friend.

He’s sort of like Cassel. Just Meh Barkley. if you can upgrade, fine. We probably won’t take a rookie high enough in the draft to replace him year one. If you can upgrade in FA, cool. If he’s still the back up, whatever...

That tends to happen when @GoBills808 shows up. ?

Remember when Chris Kelsey was the favorite whipping boy around here? The guy made it to the top 40. I want Spyder Harrison do read this list for me on an NFL films special.