Mango

The headline should just read "Jack Eichel on Suicide Watch".

Poor girl. Eff that guy.

Business wise, the world is changing rapidly. They are now on the right side of history. In the long run they’ll be fine. Even if their statements have just been for PR, it will do them better over time. From a personal perspective, if people are no longer watching the Bills or the NFL because they have said they stand with BLM, then eff them. It’s a sport/entertainment that is largely played by POC, they don’t deserve to watch. And frankly I would prefer not to affiliate with them at all. I was ashamed to be a Bills fan when thousands and thousands of people showed up to the stadium with Kaep’s face in cross hairs. People can rag on Gen Z all they want, but they’re largely good people who will change this country for the better. At least from the 100’s I’ve dealt with coaching. I’m 20 years out of HS and it was kind of “cool” at the time to mouth off to your teacher on occasion. Or to copy homework. Get smashed on the weekends. Kids now look at kids who don’t read, or are rude, and they shun them. The “cool” kids now are smart, thoughtful, and empathetic.

If I am reading this correctly, we aren’t totally on different sides here. I do think you are over simplifying a complex issue (which you said). Violent crime (I think) is generally linked to poverty. The tough part in boring out those stats, is that there are very few communities in this country that are as systemically disenfranchised as the black population. And we have done (and continue to do)that systematically through redlining, zoning, eminent domain, and the failed urban renewal. Pruitt-Igoe is a great case study if you’re interested. Similarly to Buffalo. St. Louis basically uprooted an entire black community (Federal Housing Act) because they wanted to stop black people from infilling the city as white people were heading to the suburbs (see the new deal, which I generally like as a whole. But not this) and put them up in high rise projects. Closing and demolishing homes and businesses. They paid next to nothing for the land and basically gifted it to white developers to cater shopping centers to the white middle class living in the burbs. Crime rate increased and the neighborhood went to poop. Think the Kensington Expressway on steroids. I think the best way to look at police in regards to racial interaction is search, arrest, and imprisonment rates in comparison with the actual data on who commits those crimes. POC are pulled over at higher rates, searched at higher rates, arrested at higher rates, and given longer prison sentences for the same crimes. Similarly, all races use drugs at similar rates and data shows most people buy drugs from their own race. Yet POC make up a vast majority of those imprisoned on drug charges when the data shows it should be equal based on usage and dealing. Anecdotally I went to St. Joe’s. TONS were high all day long, (weed, coke, pills, etc.) I knew more than one kid who would be able to move a pound of weed a week at times. It was obvious to a bunch of 16 year olds, but apparently not to adults (sarcasm) because NOBODY ever got in trouble. EVER. But I grew up on the WS, so I had a bunch of friends at Hutch Tech and McKinley and they’d call the ***** police. Moral of the story. If you don’t want to get in trouble with the cops: 1. Don’t be a POC 2. Don’t be poor 2a. If you are poor definitely don’t be a POC. 3. Go to St. Joe’s. They’ll ignore anything big that goes on within their walls so that they can save their reputation and keep charging a stupid amount for HS. (Getting in a fight on campus or failing 2 classes was about the only thing they’d kick anybody out for)

I would assume the NFL will go all 16 games unless the infection rates spike drastically again. I don’t think they’ll be any fans. I do think the NFL and the NFLPA should work on an agreement for “stay in place” for all staff and players. Things start to get dicey if players start getting infected and spreading it to other rosters. As much as it sucks, they should take a few months of lockdown. Them and their families. No restaurants etc. It seems like the only way to ensure that the league doesn’t lose more revenue or players. I think college is 50/50 at the moment. If they start as normal and with fans, I don’t see them either finishing the season and/or allowing fans at any stadium. College is sort of a scary proposition in general at the moment.

Except that both black and white people sell drugs at similar rates. So your assumption that more black people are selling drugs is just wrong. The below data is pulled from the census bureau and the FBI. https://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and_sales_by_race_rates_of_drug_related_criminal_justice

I mean 80% of people in federal prison and 60% of people in state prison are there for drugs. 69% of all prisoners are people of color. Which is wild because according to the Journal of Criminal Justice, white people are actually using drugs at a higher rate than POC. So POC are disproportionately having more interaction with both police and the justice system. The problem starts with the over policing of people of color and the blind eye turned towards Caucasians.

Just for reference, about 16% of Americans live under the poverty line and about 9% of Canadians. We do a poor job of economic equality in our continent.

QB: C- Josh is currently slightly below average. I hope he is in the B/B- range by year end RB: C+ Unsure if Singletary can be an every down back, and Moss in unproven TE: C- Mostly because of the drops from Knox. If he can clean those up we are probably in the C+/B- range WR: B+ I think we actually had a slightly above average group last year but we were not great at passing the football. Adding Diggs is a huge upgrade. CB: B They play well as a unit but individually not great. If Norman can get close to form and EJ Gaines can stay healthy, they have the potential to be an A+ unit S: A Poyer and Hyde are a great pairing LB: C+ Edmunds especially needs more consistency. Milano has shown flashes and can be exciting to watch. DL: B Great depth. If we can get good production out of Espenesa and Oliver this could be a very difficult unit for teams. ST: C For consistency

If I am reading your response correctly. You are saying IF you were the commish or an NFL owner you would have a discussion on whether your players would be allowed to kneel. And possibly would not allow it because of strife in either your revenue stream and/or your workforce. But as of right now, the NFL at large has given the OK. So your issue is no longer with the kneeling, it is the fact that they are allowing it, because YOU THINK they shouldn't kneel.And YOU can't kneel at work, so they shouldn't be able to kneel either. But the NFL has basically come out and said, for the time being, they don't give a crap if you turn off, and they are OK with it. Right now, people are making it a player issue, but in reality it no longer is an individual player issue. They can all kneel if they want. Their employer is allowing it.

I don’t get it. And by it, I mean your point. The Bills aren’t playing so why would he be in any “danger”. Even then there are only a handful of stadiums around the country where that danger is real. Even so, we shouldn’t carry all HS logic into our adult lives. It’s not sound advice. Sound advice is, other adults shouldn’t put their hands on other adults over a football jersey. There are a couple of very realistic answers though: 1. He’s a Buffalo transplant, living in Seattle. Got some tickets to the game.Went, had a blast, repped his favorite team with a player that also played in the city he now lives. 2. Maybe a Cal fan. Bought a Lynch Jersey when he got drafted. Wore it to his favorite NFL team.

haha. I already checked. The only pundits he follows are Tomi Lauran, Ben Shapiro, and Donald Trump.

Just want to point out that a huge majority of this thread is arguing whether SL opinion is valid because he either left the Bills and/or plays for the Dolphins. Very few of the detractors are talking about whether or not his views as a POC are valid.

I think both you and @CaliBills are correct and neither are tenuous.

If it isn't at the stadium, the New Era store carries stuff that does not get released online or other stores. Might be worth a phone call. I have a feeling they are closed at the moment.

A pretty quick glance has Fromm as a Shapiro, Trump, and Tomi Louran fan. You know those guys, always telling light hearted jokes bout access to fire arms and elite whites. Classic. Obviously by agreeing with those people you aren’t automatically some sort of Jim Crowe racist, burning crosses in the front yard. But when you start “making jokes” about the thing s he was “joking about” Vegas odd would probably be in its favor.

Thats 8% of Buffalos police force. There’s just over 700 cops in Buffalo.

Josh always does some really good things. Even when he’s having a terrible day. He has some of that special sauce in him. The issue currently is doing enough really good things week after week. That trait sort of reminds me of Favre, as well as his 4Q hot streaks at times. But Favre could take over a game, or groups of games for weeks at a time. Josh either doesn’t have that, or hasn’t found it yet.

No, of course I wouldn’t be upset if a guy forgives Fromm. I’m also not going to hold it against any player that wants out of that locker room. Both are understandable to me. What isn’t understandable to me is the posts on this board (maybe not you) that imply that he apologized, POC shouldn’t be upset, and they should just move on. Which is what that post was responding to.

Obviously there are a lot of serious issues worth talking about at the moment. But on a slightly lighter note... It would be very nice to see the NFL visually take a stand to start the season with home teams in these (old idea but still) and the players that wish the kneel, kneeling. https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Blackout-Uniforms-For-Every-NFL-Team-119880563/

It’s the right place for the NFL to be morally and ethically, so I won’t throw any shade at them at this very moment. Long term it is good for business. Regressives are showing to be on the wrong side of history more and more every day. I’d rather piss off some conservatives for 6 months, who will most likely eventually come back, rather than be in textbooks for making the wrong decisions for too long.

The COO of my company handed out MAGA hats at our sales meeting to the entire company. I threw it in the garbage. I was very open with my company, boss, and COO that I wouldn’t wear that hat and if they wanted me to, I would just quit. And I was absolutely not joking. I would have walked. I got my 2nd promotion in the last year about 60 days after that. And received 2 awards at that same sales meeting. Our COO does all of the hirings and promotions himself. So it’s not like things just happen beneath him.

Wooosh. That went right over your head.

I have an issue with this. Just because you seek forgiveness does not mean it has to be granted, or should it be granted. Part of being sorry is being sorry for as long as you give a s——— about receiving forgiveness from the people you hurt. Part of being truly sorry is fully owning the consequences of your actions. That goes for being an alcoholic, screwing up at work, beating your wife, or saying something racist. If Fromm is truly sorry he will have zero issue with the locker room not forgiving him. It’s the people on this board that are demanding forgiveness, because they aren’t really sorry for anything he said.

I got some flack on this thread for saying how ambiguous and vague McB and TP have been in their statements. Here’s the response I, and probably guys like Tre White were looking for from the org. I’m glad the NFL is finally getting guys like Popa and Cuban.