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You are right, and those people should take that up with their employer and/or elected officials. Not Tre or other players who do have the option.

Gotcha, sorry, definitely misread that one. I agree, wouldn't make any sense to do it to demand a new contract like 36 hours before the deadline. IF there is one thing advantageous about this for Tre and his next contract, it is that by all accounts, the NFL will have a lesser cap next year. Tre has bought another year before an extension to allow the cap to start to trend back up, and he can take some extra cash.

I may have misunderstood your point. I went back to read it again and I still don't get it. At first read I thought you were making the point that he would lose value because somebody else will step up admirably. Hence the, "well our CB2 got worked last year at times". Now that I am rereading it. I don't actually know what you are saying.

I don't think @Billl nor Tre were ever implying that NFL players are any more important than anybody else. He is better than 99.9% of people at what he does in relation to what almost all of us do in our own professions. I don't think that is debatable. Doctors are important, electricians are important, 7-11 workers are important, but even among those, those that are very good at their job, there are only a handful of each who are as good at it as Tre is at playing CB. If I had to guess, the real issue for a lot of posters (maybe not you) complaining about this is that they do not have the choice, and are upset that Tre does and is exercising it. Sort of similar to Sweden regarding the virus. A lot of people (maybe not you) want to be given the choice to go out, wear a mask, stay home, etc. like Sweden. But one thing people leave out is that Sweden also has safety nets in place that allow their citizens to make that choice without losing their home or worrying so much about the well being of their family. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a structure where nearly everybody in the country had the decision to keep working or not during a pandemic without having to worry about a roof over their families head or food on the table? I don't get the connection some are making on this thread to vilify somebody who does have that choice, provided to him by his employer. If people want to be mad at anybody for Tre making this decision in one way or another, be mad at the NFL and NFLPA. Be mad at your local and national politicians for not providing an economic system that strips you of that choice.

I mean, Levi Wallace was absolutely abused at times last year. I wouldn’t be so confident in the next man up.

Meh. He’s on a new team with a QB who has to take the next and without a history of a potent passing attempt. He’s a smart dude. He’ll bust his arse for a great season and push for more money in 2021. It’s not worth it now.

You’re*, ICU nurse.

Remember when Dick Jauron converted WR George Wilson to SS. What a wild time to be a bills fan.

Interesting. I didn't even know "persistent positive" was a thing. This is a wild ride we are on. A quick google to fact check this one taught me that they are doing some testing via anal swab.... So that's an adventure...

I know in rowing we’d run 2000m tests on the rowing machine with a full on mask to measure VO2. So purposefully nonporous to capture as much O2 and CO2 possible. We’d run at about 95% on that of PR on that. But it’s about 87% aerobic and 6 minutes. Football is much more anaerobic so should be much closer. Important to note, 5% off of max in elite work is basically a country mile because margins are thin. But if everybody is doing it, and the fact that football is so anaerobic, results should be super close maximal.

Missed that. ??‍♂️

Do you have any friends kids friends who are like “yeah that guy is going to suck. Hopefully he manages his money well before he flames out of the league.” Haha. But seriously, thanks for the insight!

Honestly, for no other reason than I want “realz to equal feels”, this might have a much better chance. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-buys-xfl-for-15-million-with-partners-redbird-capital-and-dany-garcia/

A Rex Ryan team would have 39 cases, 12 hospitalizations, and a dead ball boy by now.

I can tell you as a friend of Emily’s and a former resident at the Olympic Training Center, the flu does not set you 3 months back in your training.

I interchanged post-industrialized and first world, the understanding of the term first world changed over the years. But I digress from the ad hominem. To the point, 42% of people in the US born in the bottom 20% of income earners stay in the same income brackets as adults. And even then, 65% stay in bottom 40 % of earners. Other countries like Canada and Denmark have numbers as low as 25% of those born into the bottom 5th staying in the same income bracket as adults. To your point about GDP, that is precisely part of the problem. The US has a gigantic GDP and a huge income/wage gap, which makes it much more difficult (see unlikely) to climb the socioeconomic ladder. Just to summarize. America is not number one for opportunity when it comes to stratifying the socio economic ladder. They are near the bottom of post industrialized nations. And no, the gap between the best and the worst is not small.

That park was admittedly snarky. I was refuting you’re claim that you had a better chance of socioeconomic mobility in America than “any other place on earth.” Taken quite the step back, eh? Most resources qualify 25-30 countries as first world. Your claim of 20th isn’t so great amongst isn’t so great amongst its peers, is it? Since this is a football board, let’s make it anecdotal to football. You: K’Lavon Chaisson was the first pick in the NFL draft. Me: Actually he wasn’t, here are the order of draft picks. You: There were what, 255 draft picks in the 2020 draft? 20 is still really good. Me: Sure, but that’s not what you said, nor what the conversation was about. Or maybe you should just call Auburn National Champs. I get they weren’t number 1, but they were top 10% and that’s pretty good!

That’s actually not true, and hasn’t been true for decades. Socioeconomic mobility has always been more difficult compared to other wealthy post-industrialized nations. This is why we say the pledge of allegiance in grade school, so that those kids grow up to be adults and just say and believe things about their country that aren’t true. In 2020, looks like it’s still working. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02_economic_mobility_sawhill_ch3.pdf

State of the art is a 24 hour turn around in testing and thermometers in this situation. There’s no technological advancement that allows you to stop the spread during incubation. So yes, sitting on the beach with your family socially distanced from other strangers, or walking down the street is much safer than players breathing, sweating, bleeding, tackling each other. Super unsure what point you are trying to make here.

Part of the issue is their family and taking them into consideration. The other is, more and more data is coming out suggesting that asymptomatic patients are seeing long term health effects. Case and point, The NY Times piece on the US Women’s Rowing Team where many have not gotten back to pre Covid shape. It’s August now, and they were diagnosed in March. They may want to reduce their risk of possible long term career complications by not lining up face to face in camps and games with 80 other players while sweating, breathing, spitting, and laying on each other. Or they hate football and are a bunch of liberal sheep looking for a quick pay day. You know, either or seem equally plausible. Yes, yes there is. Basically 99% of activities are a lesser risk of transmission than playing football and being in the facility watching tape, sitting in meetings, eating meals. With a 5-7 day incubation period, by the time one guy gets it and tests positive, he’s already tackled/been tackled, lined up face to face, blood, sweat, tears, then sat in meeting rooms with his teammates.

Unsure if you’re first sentence is about me, but if you read my post above, I commented on what the shift is among elite/pro athletes. Specifically from my time living at the Olympic Training Center. To your second point. I agree, a coach needs to be able to integrate fun into the program. Loosen the reigns a bit and get back to the basics. Short term you may not see the effects on the athlete or team, but long term it does a whole lot.

“I got in a fight playing pick up basketball. I understand what it’s like to be an elite athlete” -Basically you My dad in his late 30’s got kicked out of a hockey league for getting in a fight, he also played varsity hockey, sign him up for team USA!

I believe that the NFL and NFLPA are still hammering out how this works with the CBA. The deadline is either 5 or 7 days after that is finalized. So it is a moving target at the moment.

I think there is a lot of nuance here and you are painting with a broad brush. I think the picture you are painting is more akin to Andre Agassi, which is consider an outlier. But as you get better at sport, whatever it may be, it’s no longer about the game but the pursuit of excellence. You learn to get through the year for a single opportunity at greatness, and the goal isn’t having fun, it’s being the best. I have a friend who came out of f retirement to try and win her 3rd Olympic gold. When asked why she said “because I want to prove I am the best in the world” it wasn’t “because I love rowing” You mentioned Tom Brady. He doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder because of his love of the game, he has a chip because he wasn’t to be the greatest. I owe my life to the sport of rowing. It allowed me to live at the Olympic training center for a number of years. But training isn’t fun. Hell, racing isn’t all that fun. It’s a huge ball of nerves for the terrible things you’re about to will your body to do. Matthew Pinsent, 4x olympic good medalist in 4 straight Olympics threw up at every single starting line of an Olympic final. Steve Redgrave, 5 Olympics, 5 straight gold medals said after his 3rd or 4th, if you see me in a boat again, you have permission to shoot me. People like that may have lost their juvenile “love of the game” but gained a much deeper respect, understanding, and love for sport as a whole. If you were to have a larger conversation other than “do you love football” you would find that these guys have a drive and need to compete inside of them that you cannot possibly empathize with. EDIT/ADD ON: there was a point when my physiology was really great. On my irregular cross train days I was getting pretty close to training numbers for the triathlon team. I considered when my rowing career was over heading to Colorado Springs to train sport specific. I didn’t love triathlons, but I was passionate about greatness.

Let’s say Herbert is a home run, they don’t have a heavy QB contract for 5 years. Lines up perfect.