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I think we will get a better idea of his value next year. Floyd had a great year opposite him. He will likely have a lesser partner next year and will have to take a big step. If he makes that step you pay him. If he is still just a guy, then you have a tougher call on his value.

Gabe's value on his rookie contract was great for us. Let him go get an Edmunds contract. He was a good teammate and provided some value to this team. He just proved he wasn't "the guy".

Totally agree. I would protect the 2025 cap space however possible. To me that means either keeping Diggs all year or moving on before June 1. We need one of not two wide receivers, a center, two safeties, and a couple of pass rushers. Clear the deck where we can, load up in the draft, and be aggressive in 2025. EDIT: For reference, the timing of releasing Tre, Von, and Diggs would open up $65M in space for 2025.

I don't think his cap hit is prohibitive in a trade. In that scenario Diggs $18M-ish next year puts him at 15th overall between Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson with the freedom to walk away. I think that would be good value for a team with a young QB and a lot of cap space. If this team wants to move on from Diggs I think they can and even get 'some' return on it if they want.

The delta in keeping Diggs vs cutting/trading Diggs is $3M. That is an important distinction to make. I generally agree here. When you cut a guy, you have to replace him. But Diggs has had the ability to be a distraction. I wouldn't be quick to pull the trigger on this one. But I also don't fall into the "fork no" category either. Both seem to have some cost and some benefit. It all depends on what kind of Stef we get back next year? Do we get this seasons teammate that was a good soldier. Or do we get the Bengals/OTA Stef. If it is the ladder you pull the trigger. If it is the former you ride this out another year.

I think the one thing that makes Diggs an OK trade candidate is that they can risk his cost for the season. But I believe the receiving team can move on from Diggs without any real cap ramification because all that is left is his base salary, roster bonus, etc. Buffalo eats the rest. A team like Houston or Indy could take this risk to help out a rookie QB. If it doesn't work out they move on the following offseason for basically nothing. If he does work out he is certainly worth his cap hit.

I just posted this in the other Diggs thread but it works here: If Diggs can find a way to be reasonably productive this year without causing a scene, the Bills should hold off on moving on and keep the $3M cost savings by keeping him here. Some interesting numbers in relation to Diggs cap. For reference red is bad. But his contract is absolutely workable this offseason if all parties NEED to walk away from each other. People freak out over the $31M as if it is in addition to. The post June 2024 number is interesting, and I think it could make Stef a post June trade candidate this year. 2024 Pre June: -$3M (+$22M in 2025) 2024 Post June: $19M (-$22M in 2025) 2025 Pre June: $5M ($28M in 2026) 2025 Post June: $18.5M (-13M in 2026) There is zero place where discussing restructuring Diggs makes any sense. It should be removed from every single discussion of the Bills cap space from here on out. It didn't make sense 3 months ago and it makes much less sense today.

If Diggs can find a way to be reasonably productive this year without causing a scene, the Bills should hold off on moving on and keep the $3M cost savings by keeping him here. Some interesting numbers in relation to Diggs cap. For reference red is bad. But his contract is absolutely workable this offseason if all parties NEED to walk away from each other. People freak out over the $31M as if it is in addition to. The post June 2024 number is interesting, and I think it could make Stef a post June trade candidate this year. 2024 Pre June: -$3M (+$22M in 2025) 2024 Post June: $19M (-$22M in 2025) 2025 Pre June: $5M ($28M in 2026) 2025 Post June: $18.5M (-13M in 2026) EDIT: There is zero place where discussing restructuring Diggs makes any sense. It should be removed from every single discussion of the Bills cap space from here on out. It didn't make sense 3 months ago and it makes much less sense today.

A 100% healthy Milano, Bernard, Tre, and Douglas absolutely win that game last night by some margin. (I know we don't make the Douglas trade if Tre is healthy. But right now they are both on the roster. Let me have this one today)

And even then, TD for the taking for the lead or risk not getting a TD and get screwed in OT because the defense is a spaghetti strainer. Take the lead. But yes in a perfect/bizarro world, the Bills score a TD as the clock strikes zero.

Totally agree, and for years I have pounded the table loudly on this forum that "Josh should have done this and instead of that". He was an absolute hero last night and I have zero criticisms for his game yesterday.

Agreed here. We were struggling against an opponent we were ultimate better than. A healthy Bernard and Douglass is likely worth a punt or two and we are talking about a Bills 2 score victory today.

There is a grey area with realistic expectations for any NFL offense. On one hand, we can all sit back and generally say "an NFL offense should be able to execute 3-4 plays in a row." But at some point you have to draw the line for what is a reasonable expectation. You can't just keep adding on 4 more plays for eternity. The Bills stalled on a 16 play drive. For reference the average drive length this year is 5.88 plays per drive. It is unreasonable and look back and expect any NFL team to execute a 20 play drive with any regularity at all. For reference, since 2001 there have only been a total of 8 20+ play TD drives in the playoffs or the regular season. Saying this was "part of the plan" isn't reasonable.

As a very slowly decompress from last night I find myself remembering how frustrated I was in the second half. Cook was getting stuffed often. KC had adjusted to the run. The situation was prime for play action, bootlegs, and screens. Allen picked up some tough yards as the game went on.

It was crazy to go for it, but if you are going to do that at least go down swinging and put the ball in Allen's hands.

Agreed. Martin was hobbled. The defense was broken and beaten. My biggest issue was taking Allen of the field. If we’re going to go for it put it in the hands of your best player. Line up and make them stop Josh Allen.

Possibly if healthy. Not if we rolled out another mash unit.

This one hurt pretty bad. We should have had this one.

That was the 14th play of the drive. That’s an eternity by NFL standards. Taking the score there is fine. Otherwise we’re saying “you know what the Bills really needed? A 20 play drive” that’s just not reasonable.

CBS is Paramount and Paramount is CBS. They aren’t competitors.

No idea what happened back there but he didn’t mark himself available.

Id actually prefer an aging Evans if the cost is right. I don’t think it takes “much” to sign him short term compared to other WR numbers. That said, I’m irked Diggs didn’t meet with the media after a tough loss…again….

Yes, but he’s not free if we don’t move on. He costs $28M to keep him here. So it’s $3M more to move on that it is to keep him. This is a super important distinction. Now, we are close against the cap, and that is a fair point. But his contract on its own is movable.

Id love to move him inside, but $28M is a lot of cheese for that role.

Diggs fumble, drop, and no presser and he’s going to cost nearly $28M next year. Sheesh. A couple plays here and there would have made the difference. But our high profile QB met the challenge and our WR didn’t. This offense is become a group of role players, and that’s ok. If Stef is going to be more than that he can’t put the ball on the ground and drop passes that hit him in the chest on the biggest stage.