Mango

You nailed it in the last paragraph. That’s my concern at the moment. I don’t think a big bodied WR or TE is the make all solution here. Sure it’s a great upgrade, but Josh is second in the league in red zone TD’s at the moment. That isn’t the issue. Our group is a great one to have. As is the NFL in 2020, this offense will go as the QB goes. If Josh plays well we will win, if he doesn’t we will lose. It’s that simple on that side of the ball right now. Totallt agree with your concerns regarding RB and run blocking. Throw the front 7 and CB2 play into the mix as well.

I want to use the laugh reaction to this, but you don’t deserve the point to your rep for this. 😂

I have been watching this thread for a bit now. I think it is knee jerk. At worst McD has done “well enough” to this point. If you want to say coaching cost us this and the Titans game. OK I won’t argue, but we are too soon to be heading down this path. My larger concern is McBeane and talent evaluation. I think we all pretty much consider Bean and McD a unit so blame goes to both. - CB2 has been bad for at least two seasons now. Their answer was a flyer on Norman and EJ Gaines who was bound to get injured. Also...Levi Wallace is still not good enough. - LB depth was an issue. It still is. - DL is a mess. They let some OK talent walk with lesser replacements and spent a bunch of money on them. -Edmunds, Oliver, and Epeneza have yet to wow me. -They chose two slow running backs that have not been effective sharing the load or taking on the role of lead back. - Do we have Yeldon locked in a basement somewhere? Is this a Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes situation?

Recently Beasley has been a part of the super secret playbook that we refuse to use. This playbook contains all plays designed for Yeldon/his pads, Jersey, cleats, etc, slants, and the rest of the plays for McKenzie.

It is an interesting thought though. I “feel” like when Allen starts rough he rarely gets into a groove. But unsure if it fits in the “real” category. If this were peak pandemic and I wasn’t getting ruined at work I would go back and check out first 5, 10, series passes and see what the W/L or overall stat line is. Too bad I am so far away from retirement or this is how I would spend my days. Haha

Or you just enter the Fitz cycle and Tua is now destined to be pulled or injured. The cycle must complete itself, Tua is toast, another victim waiting in the wings.

Hypothetically, what if Mitch Morse didn't jump off sides at the top of the 4th quarter on that terrible 4th and 1 call and we turned the ball over on downs at our own 30, effectively ending the game entirely. I have been upset with the defense this year as much as anybody. I have been weary of them after every game. But interesting that IF the defense created 2 turnovers against the Chiefs on a day where the offense was anemic, you would come away feeling iffy about the defense. If anything I think it would have shown they were finally being opportunistic. None of this happened of course, this is just a fairy tale so we are fake arguing about a thing that never existed.... as people do on the internet.

It is not just that we are 4-2, we could be happy with 4-2, it is the way we have played two weeks in a row. The last two games looked closer to the 2018 team than they did the first 4 weeks of 2020. That is the big concern for everybody.

Moss and Singletary are kind of the same, both could be a compliment to somebody else. Neither are a workhorse back that should get 50%+ of the carries.

Yes, they do. They have won more games and have a better point differential. That is sort of what this thread is about... The Phins are a bad reference. The Bills were losing that game in Q4. Also the Raiders were only down by a score before they fumbled the ball in Q4. These aren’t really garbage time TDS.

The packers just lost by 28 and still have a 35 pt swing on buffalo.

Part of that TOP is on the offense. Would be great if the D gave it back to them, but they didn’t. The staff was trying to get Josh going and he just couldn’t tonight. The 2 punts that @billsfan89 are s thinking of is because they punted like 30 seconds into the 4th...after absolutely dodging a bullet with an Offside call after not converting a 4th and 1. We would have lost the game right there if not for that flag. The way I look at this game when trying to figure out what went wrong is two things. 1. How often will scoring 17 points beat Mahomes and the KC Chiefs? -Literally never. At least not to date. Mahomes has only score less than 20 points once in his NFL career. That was 2019 against the Colts. 2. Which NFL defense can hold Mahomes to 16 points? - To date, mone of them. And right now, nobody in the NFL is playing strong enough defense that I would put any money on it in 2020. So if no team has held Mahomes to 16, and scoring 17 is never good enough, why are we putting so much blame on a defense that kept us in the game most of the night? Don’t get me wrong the defense has been down right terrible this year. I am concerned. But they would have needed a relatively historical night to make up for the offense. Something they haven’t proven capable of in a while.

We had all game and scored a whopping 17 points all game long. ...But sure, if the kicker had made a 52 yarder 30 minutes earlier, then, with 2 minutes to go, after struggling mightily to put together something that might be confused with an NFL offense, we would have pulled out the super special play book and scored a TD. There, I took the “stats” out for you.

What about that field goal? That one field goal? At half time? What a weird thing to harp on given every other thing that happened out there today. We were nearly halfway through the 4th quarter before we completed 10 passes or had 100 yards. Playing what if on a rookie kicker on a rainy day, with an entire rest of the half to play is silly. Also, his last kickoff he popped that up for the coverage team to drop the return inside the 20. ST was of zero concern today.

Anybody else concerned that the Bills are currently 20th in point differential with -12 at the moment? And not for the first time. We have had a negative point differential in 2017 and 2018 as well. There are currently 3 teams with winning records and a negative differential. LV, CLE, and BUF. There are no teams below .500 with a positive differential. 12 is fixable. Even as early as next week. But something to keep an eye on with a ton of football to play. We aren’t in great company at the moment. LV is at -1 which will be back in the green if they beat the Bucs. Cleveland feels like a paper tiger. Like the Bills the food have one big loss screwing with the numbers. Playoff Teams with Negative Differential 2019- Houston (-7) 10-6: Lose by 20 to the Chiefs in the Divisional round. 2017- Buffalo (-57) 9-7: Lose in one of the most boring playoff match ups in history to the Jags. - Titans (-22) 9-7: Lose to Pats by 21 in the Divisional round. 2016- Lions (-12) 9-7: Lose by 20 in the Divisional. - Dolphins (-17) 10-6: Lose by 18 in the WC. - Texans (-45) 9-7: Lose by 18 to the Pats in the Divisional. 2014- Panthers (-35) 7-8-1: Beat a Ryan Lindsey lead Arizona team in the WC. Lost by 14 to the Seahawks. 2013- Packers (-11) 8-7-1: Lost by 3 to the 49ers in the WC. 2012- Colts (-30) 11-5: Lost by 15 in the WC to Baltimore. 2011- Giants (-7) 9-7: Won the SB beating the Pats...again. - Broncos (-81) 8-8: Tim Tebow. Beat the Steelers in the WC. Lost to Pats by 35 in the Divisional. 2010- Seahawks (-97) 7-9: Beat the Saints in the WC. Lost to the Bears by 11 in the Divisional.

It actually sounds like they thought the offense would be at least competent. If we could have gotten Allen’s production vs. the Titans in this game, it would have been a lopsided victory. The goal sounds like it was to keep it under 30.

He doesn’t have any top “process” vets. Maybe Tre, Poyer, Hyde? But those other “process” vets he leaned on heavily like Kyle, Lawson, Hughes, etc. he inherited As we’ve turned over the previous regimes talent on the defensive side of the ball it is not looking pretty. Milano can’t stay healthy.Edmunds is always behind the play. DL is very bad. CB2 has been an area of concern since Vontae Davis quit at half time in 2018.

They paid Mario Addison $10M.Trent Murphy has a $10M cap hit. I think it’s important for teams to keep their draft picks and reclamation projects. They could have kept Philips and Shaq for ~$20M. Instead they signed Addison, Jefferson, Klein and Butler for ~$30M. None of which have filled either of those voids.

I think you’re taking too many steps here. I’ve been as critical as anybody about Allen, but I’m not willing to say he’s a “regressing” QB. I also don’t think McD loses the team if they don’t win the East and make a deep run. I will give you that I don’t think this defense has been McD’s doing. The pieces were there when he took over. Similar to when Schwartz and Petrine came in after Edwards and Wannstedt. Rex toasted this defense with scheme all McD had to do was not be a doofus.

If that happens the process/locker room was never what it was preached to be, was it?

This. I think they are the sneaky divisional team. Just have to count on Fitz getting Fitzy at some point.

Our WR’s are Diggs, Brown, and Beasley and with 9 minutes left he was 9/21 for 66 yards, and people are trying to say this was a C or B- performance. 2020 is a wild year man.

I was hoping last week was his new floor. But here we are. If Allen averages the year at 58% we are in for a bunch more clunkers since he has 4 games at 70+% working that average up. Let’s all hope this is not the case.

I was curious how this thread would grade JA this week. We are about a third of letter grade off from each other, which is normal. I think there is a strong argument to give an F, but not necessary to quibble. To the bolded, I thought about this in the first quarter when Mahomes let a pass or two get away. Then he completed about 80% of his passes for the game and that narrative became absolutely irrelevant/not reality. When the guy across from you is completing 80% of his passes and you are completing 42% with 9 minutes left in the game, it’s 0.00% a weather issue.

A lot of blame to go around.... Except for Special Teams: Bogo single handedly stopped this from being a 42-13 blow out. He gets my only game ball tonight. There was a missed 52 yarder, but largely kicking and coverage were great. Even at the end of the game Bass popped one up for the coverage team to keep the return around the 15. Solid group tonight. Defense: Got shredded on the ground. Generally terrible on 3rd down. Couldn’t make any “key stops” but made enough stops to keep KC in a low scoring game. Bend but don’t break. Lots of yards but held PM and the Chiefs to only 2 TDS and a million field goals. It was a good enough performance to win the game. Offense: The passing attack takes the lions share of the blame. 9 minutes left in the game and you are losing to Mahomes by 10 with possession of the ball and you are 9/21 and 66 yards? There is no excuse other than very bad QB play. Running game was meh. Protection was good enough. A couple drops, sure, but not enough to account for such an abysmal production over 75% into the game.