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Ah, you SOB. I came here to post this giph.

I originally thought this was the state of Florida. Somehow I remembered Emmitt Smith is from Florida and was like....bro..... Also the Bosa's. But they are still playing. I can't think of anybody else.

I think Mitch gives Fromm another year to prove he can be the back up. Trubisky is a one year back up rental/insurance policy. Buffalo will be in the market for another back up in 2022. At which point he will probably have to win the gig or kick dirt.

I admittedly don’t watch a ton of college ball. But if this is a “highlight reel” for the “best RB in college football”, color me unimpressed. Yes he plays behind the best OL in the game. But he gets caught from behind by DB’s more often than I’d like. I tried to dig it up. I didn’t realize he didn’t run the 40 at his pro day. Some Bama magazine projects him at 4.45. Just by my eye he looks slower than that. BR said they heard he was a 4.3 guy. That absolutely can’t be true. He looks like if Singletary and Moss has a kid, it’d be Harris. Physical enough. Can hit the hole. Shifty. No breakaway speed. EDIT: Singletary not Spiller.

Allen can get away with a lot because of the velocity he puts on the ball. Some of that is good. Some of that it not so good. His fast ball is tough to catch, especially if you’re a defender not planning on catching it. I would like to see the full data set. His company isn’t bad. Just curious if this is a stat line that anybody should be paying attention to historically. Not for Allen, just curious in general.

Williams may end up being a very productive NFL player. I don’t get the Stephen Jackson comparison. Jackson was a much bigger back with a lot more speed. I also hate the idea of spending our 3rd top 100 pick on another slow RB. It seems like Moss and Williams have very similar size and skill set. Drafting more of the same seems like a huge mistake. I could get behind that with pro days and the combine. But not for game tape. Every single program/draftee had a totally different experience and environment. It is difficult to get a good idea of live action performance.

Ill add on, it’s been a very weird 12+ months for college athletics. Scouting has got to be tough right now. It’s already an inexact science.

10.5 wins on a 17 game season. I would be the over. I thought I would see more 11.5's etc. with the extra game. More teams way under .500 than I thought there would be.

I just ordered a Thurman, Bruce, and Andre Jersey from DHgate. Shipped today. Old guys, old numbers.

This is an interesting read. A wild case study at the very least. I don’t quite know what to take from it one way or the other. Is he just going through the motions until game day? Does he just have an immense love for the game, and that’s the drive? Is he just totally flippant with an elite skill set? Maybe he is just saying there is a football side to him and a personal side to him. When he’s at the facility or in season, he’s all in. But when he goes home, he is Trevor first, a football player second? His skill set is remarkable. It will be interesting to watch.

Dabo Swinney is hyper religious. He baptized Hopkins at practice. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2019/09/04/clemson-dabo-swinney-religion-culture

It all depends on value of an extension. Edmunds is a decent MLB. Not great. Not terrible. My big thing is, between some of the Edmunds projections for an extension work ~$15M, that will have the Bills spending about $32M on Klein, Milano, and Edmunds alone. That’s right around top 5 money for LB spending in the league, and that doesn’t account for depth. I don’t know how you justify spending that much money on what has been just an OK group after you extend Allen. I don’t want to create another hole because I think Edmunds is at worst serviceable. But I don’t want to dedicate that much money to a middling LB Corp. I agree with @GunnerBill, I think McBeane are committed to the kid. But I would feel more comfortable if he signed closer to Milanos value.

Two Things: Apprently Gen X has now entered the conversation...You are now speaking to 3 generations. Pensions, by and large, don’t exist anymore. So why would a middle aged worker stay at a position if somebody else offers a better one? With no pension, salary/bonus structure become paramount for retirement. I will bow out of this, now. Don’t want to hijack the thread.

No dude, the NFL is slow to age. I mean if you ignore the fact that a new batch of 200+ 20 year olds enter the league every year, it is slow to age. It’s just taken a long time for the league to get “infected” with millennial koodies. Even though we’ve seen 100’s of millennials have long full careers and retire by now. But no, the NFL is only so strong, they’re infected with millennials now. But not actual millennials. The millennials infected Gen Z. And Gen Z is infecting the league. But still, millennials, because transitive property.

Just spit balling. I think this may be an over correction on their part for catching heat for their regular testing. I am not complaining that they were testing so often. But I have friends who waited weeks for their test results, and the NFL was getting thousands run every single day. If the NFL mandated vaccination, they would need to have players skip the line in order to get a lot of them. Not great optics. They will have other plans in place during this season, some will probably be similar to last year with temps, testing, and close contacts, just a bit more lax. I think they are kicking the can down the road as far as the vaccine. The world has changed rapidly the last year/year and a half. They will wait to see what 2022 looks like before mandating anything. But I would not be shocked if they required it next season.

I think you are over thinking this one my man. The post you quoted said "a vaccine" not "the vaccine". Unsure about VA, but in NYS you are no longer allowed to claim religious exemption for vaccines while attending public schools. So in effect, all kids in NY are required to be vaccinated for one thing or another. I would assume that your kids are required to have some form of vaccination to start the school year down there as well.

I mean if you throw out all the people that said “we got the wrong Josh”, or “you can’t coach accuracy”, or whatever (I was part of that crowd), then yeah, everybody was totally on the same page...

I agree fully with your edited comment. I like the FO. McD seems to be the big player in all of this. I addressed some concern over "misses" earlier as a negative and a positive (their ability and willingness to go back and fix). But yes, they have to hit the draft a bit better to get more value out of cheaper contracts. Again, I like our FO. I think they are one of the better FO's in the league. I think they belong in the conversation of best, but I am not ready to crown them King just yet. Looking at the pay roll and their spending based on position groups in 2020/2021 2020/2021 No. 1/No. 3 in Defensive spending- Not good return for a team that has spent both a ton of money and a first round/first selection in every draft for 3 years now. No. 5/No. 14 in Offensive spending- I am fine with this. Surely it will go up once Allen signs on the dotted line. No 2./No. 7 in WR spending- Worth it at the moment. It is a great group. No 3./No. 10 in OL spending- I am OK with this because I think RB is a bigger problem with the run game rather than OL. But if you think it is a blocking problem, this is very much an over spend. No. 1/No. 5 in DL spending- Woof. No 15/No. 10 in LB spending- About right for production in 2020. But the 2021 spending seems high. It will go up a ton with an Edmunds extension. No. 2/No. 16 in DB spending- I like our core 3 here in Tre, Poyer, and Hyde. Our scouts and GM also inherited a quality top tier but have struggled to fill CB2 reliably. 16th is now on the cheap end for the return on production. We have over allocated to some position groups, especially on defense, without great return. You could call this a bit of a FA bungle. But if you drafted more high impact players, we would be allocating resources much more efficiently. I think it boils down to lack of impact from our top 100 defensive picks and whiffing on some FA signings. They go hand in hand. Sources: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/breakdown/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offense/

I am not sure Singletary has much of a value as a pick alone. I think he might get some utility in navigating up in a round. Say the Bills want to move from 93 to 87 in the 3rd to get ahead of Cleveland. Singletary might be work the 7 spots there depending on what Pittsburgh's board looks like.

I was speaking specifically to the first sentence, which was that the draft will be focused on defense. My issue with that is is we have focused a ton on defense with high draft picks and huge allocations for the cap. In regards to LB working out, I sort of agree. It isn’t a bad unit. But I am not sure we will get enough value moving forward. Edmunds is projecting to get $15M. Between Edmunds and Milano, that would make that group something like the 5th highest paid unit in the league. But they’re nowhere near the 5th best unit. I don’t think they cut Singletary. But I do think there is a chance they trade him on draft day.

As opposed to what? He’s spent half of his top 100 picks on defense. He’s taken a defender either in the first round or with his first pick (Epeneza) in every draft he has run. We are near the very top of the league in spending for both DL and DB. If we extend Edmunds, we will be in the 5-10 range in spending on our LB’s. We have dedicated huge amounts of resources to “improving the D”. I like McBeane as a unit. They’ve done a great job holistically. Once we pay Allen, we absolutely cannot keep missing over and over again in FA and the draft like this.

That feels a bit harsh. I guess it depends on the Allen replacement. The line is good enough at pass pro to be able to move the ball around with this WR Corp and a guy like Dak, Tannehill, or Cousins. I think we win 9+ with Trubisky. Not a good enough team to win 9 games with Cam. We have done a good job in finding a gem or good contributor here and there outside of the top 100. Milano, Bass, Davis, Teller. Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson in the slot. It’s the top 100 picks we haven’t gotten enough production out of. None of them are bad. Just nobody is standing out outside of Allen. Having none of Singletary, Moss, Phillips, Oliver, Epeneza, and Cody Ford be a difference maker in any sense is my worry. I think the best chance of that group to be a great player is Oliver at the moment. But I don’t see Phillips, Singletary, or Epeneza being game changers. We’re talking about drafting another edge guy high with our first pick in 2021. Which is cool. Pass rush is important. But we aren’t drafting a guy to play next to AJ. We’re talking about it because we spent huge cap dollars without any output and didn’t get much out of our top pick last year.

I think Beane and McD have largely done a good job. I also generally approach what isn’t going well and address how to fix those things as a normal practice, football aside. The FO with Beane has had some missteps. Every team has them. Beane has done a good job of quickly fixing his mistakes. Bad OL, fixed. The QB room, fixed. Need better WR, done. We’ve also had to double back and address a lot of issues. Most recently, we keep missing on RB. Either that, or we had one of the highest paid OL’s in the league in 2020 but can’t run block well. We have one of the highest paid secondaries in the league, but lack depth behind Tre, Poyer, and Hyde. I am not sure our LB play is worth $25M per year, which is what it will cost when/if we re-sign Edmunds. We spend huge dollars on a DL that has no reliable pass rusher, and that’s with dedicating our first pick 2 drafts in a row. Not to mention, we can’t stop the run. I think we’d view Beane a bit differently had we gotten Rosen or Darnold. Allen became a stud this year. The FO isn’t afraid to fix their mistakes, and having Allen allows them the freedom to swing, miss, and try and address again. They’ve done some good things too. I’ll keep complaining that they need to be better. But I by no means think they’re bad.

Oh god. He is most definitely one of those guys that backs his truck into EVERY SINGLE SPOT even though it’s not necessary. As a dude who has owned pick ups, this has always driven me crazy. It’s really not that difficult or necessary. Just pull in.

Given Watsons current situation, there’s little chance of getting a deal below his.