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Right. DE could be BPA. I was more commenting on a bunch of posts on this board and thread about how we “have” to draft a DE because that’s the biggest need. If DE is BPA go for it. I have no issues.

I am not a college guru like @GunnerBill or @NewEra but to me it doesn’t feel like there is any value at DE at 30 other than need. If a top 4 CB drops that low I think you run to the podium. Otherwise it is BPA. Reaching for a mediocre pass rusher at 30, when you already have a mediocre pass rush, is how franchises get behind the 8 ball long term.

My knee jerk reaction to the numbers change was that I didn't like it for no other good reason than tradition/it was what I was used to. I am doing my best to not grow into a curmudgeon, so I just kept saying, "meh, it is just numbers, it will be fine". But I think Tom is on to something here. There will for sure be a learning curve.

I mean kind of. The NFL is the company, the teams are franchises. So by entering the draft you’re choosing to work for the NFL. If you break it down like other franchises, you don’t get to pick necessarily which McDonalds, Walmart, Applebee’s etc. you work at. If the opening is on Delaware in N. Buffalo, you can’t just say “but I want to work on Sheridan”. Their response would be “We’re hiring on Delaware right now. Work on Delaware or don’t work at Applebee’s”

He was family friends of a friend of mine. By all accounts he is good people. He actually 1. Lived in city limits and 2. Stayed here almost all year long. It is and was refreshing. How many players, QB or otherwise, talk about loving Buffalo, or whatever city they play for, only to pack up and go to California, Florida, or where ever as soon as the clock hits zero on the final game of the season. “I want to call Buffalo home forever” -95% of current and former Bills players on Instagram from their homes in California.

I’m not sure if it’s weak. It just feels like a super tough year for scouting. This year was so different for every school and team. Do you rely on 2019 tape? More questions than answers. I am guessing we see more misses at the top of the draft and more over performers in lower rounds. The draft is a bit of a crap shoot in a good year. This will be even more.

Ah, you SOB. I came here to post this giph.

I originally thought this was the state of Florida. Somehow I remembered Emmitt Smith is from Florida and was like....bro..... Also the Bosa's. But they are still playing. I can't think of anybody else.

I think Mitch gives Fromm another year to prove he can be the back up. Trubisky is a one year back up rental/insurance policy. Buffalo will be in the market for another back up in 2022. At which point he will probably have to win the gig or kick dirt.

I admittedly don’t watch a ton of college ball. But if this is a “highlight reel” for the “best RB in college football”, color me unimpressed. Yes he plays behind the best OL in the game. But he gets caught from behind by DB’s more often than I’d like. I tried to dig it up. I didn’t realize he didn’t run the 40 at his pro day. Some Bama magazine projects him at 4.45. Just by my eye he looks slower than that. BR said they heard he was a 4.3 guy. That absolutely can’t be true. He looks like if Singletary and Moss has a kid, it’d be Harris. Physical enough. Can hit the hole. Shifty. No breakaway speed. EDIT: Singletary not Spiller.

Allen can get away with a lot because of the velocity he puts on the ball. Some of that is good. Some of that it not so good. His fast ball is tough to catch, especially if you’re a defender not planning on catching it. I would like to see the full data set. His company isn’t bad. Just curious if this is a stat line that anybody should be paying attention to historically. Not for Allen, just curious in general.

Williams may end up being a very productive NFL player. I don’t get the Stephen Jackson comparison. Jackson was a much bigger back with a lot more speed. I also hate the idea of spending our 3rd top 100 pick on another slow RB. It seems like Moss and Williams have very similar size and skill set. Drafting more of the same seems like a huge mistake. I could get behind that with pro days and the combine. But not for game tape. Every single program/draftee had a totally different experience and environment. It is difficult to get a good idea of live action performance.

Ill add on, it’s been a very weird 12+ months for college athletics. Scouting has got to be tough right now. It’s already an inexact science.

10.5 wins on a 17 game season. I would be the over. I thought I would see more 11.5's etc. with the extra game. More teams way under .500 than I thought there would be.

I just ordered a Thurman, Bruce, and Andre Jersey from DHgate. Shipped today. Old guys, old numbers.

This is an interesting read. A wild case study at the very least. I don’t quite know what to take from it one way or the other. Is he just going through the motions until game day? Does he just have an immense love for the game, and that’s the drive? Is he just totally flippant with an elite skill set? Maybe he is just saying there is a football side to him and a personal side to him. When he’s at the facility or in season, he’s all in. But when he goes home, he is Trevor first, a football player second? His skill set is remarkable. It will be interesting to watch.

Dabo Swinney is hyper religious. He baptized Hopkins at practice. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2019/09/04/clemson-dabo-swinney-religion-culture

It all depends on value of an extension. Edmunds is a decent MLB. Not great. Not terrible. My big thing is, between some of the Edmunds projections for an extension work ~$15M, that will have the Bills spending about $32M on Klein, Milano, and Edmunds alone. That’s right around top 5 money for LB spending in the league, and that doesn’t account for depth. I don’t know how you justify spending that much money on what has been just an OK group after you extend Allen. I don’t want to create another hole because I think Edmunds is at worst serviceable. But I don’t want to dedicate that much money to a middling LB Corp. I agree with @GunnerBill, I think McBeane are committed to the kid. But I would feel more comfortable if he signed closer to Milanos value.

Two Things: Apprently Gen X has now entered the conversation...You are now speaking to 3 generations. Pensions, by and large, don’t exist anymore. So why would a middle aged worker stay at a position if somebody else offers a better one? With no pension, salary/bonus structure become paramount for retirement. I will bow out of this, now. Don’t want to hijack the thread.

No dude, the NFL is slow to age. I mean if you ignore the fact that a new batch of 200+ 20 year olds enter the league every year, it is slow to age. It’s just taken a long time for the league to get “infected” with millennial koodies. Even though we’ve seen 100’s of millennials have long full careers and retire by now. But no, the NFL is only so strong, they’re infected with millennials now. But not actual millennials. The millennials infected Gen Z. And Gen Z is infecting the league. But still, millennials, because transitive property.

Just spit balling. I think this may be an over correction on their part for catching heat for their regular testing. I am not complaining that they were testing so often. But I have friends who waited weeks for their test results, and the NFL was getting thousands run every single day. If the NFL mandated vaccination, they would need to have players skip the line in order to get a lot of them. Not great optics. They will have other plans in place during this season, some will probably be similar to last year with temps, testing, and close contacts, just a bit more lax. I think they are kicking the can down the road as far as the vaccine. The world has changed rapidly the last year/year and a half. They will wait to see what 2022 looks like before mandating anything. But I would not be shocked if they required it next season.

I think you are over thinking this one my man. The post you quoted said "a vaccine" not "the vaccine". Unsure about VA, but in NYS you are no longer allowed to claim religious exemption for vaccines while attending public schools. So in effect, all kids in NY are required to be vaccinated for one thing or another. I would assume that your kids are required to have some form of vaccination to start the school year down there as well.

I mean if you throw out all the people that said “we got the wrong Josh”, or “you can’t coach accuracy”, or whatever (I was part of that crowd), then yeah, everybody was totally on the same page...

I agree fully with your edited comment. I like the FO. McD seems to be the big player in all of this. I addressed some concern over "misses" earlier as a negative and a positive (their ability and willingness to go back and fix). But yes, they have to hit the draft a bit better to get more value out of cheaper contracts. Again, I like our FO. I think they are one of the better FO's in the league. I think they belong in the conversation of best, but I am not ready to crown them King just yet. Looking at the pay roll and their spending based on position groups in 2020/2021 2020/2021 No. 1/No. 3 in Defensive spending- Not good return for a team that has spent both a ton of money and a first round/first selection in every draft for 3 years now. No. 5/No. 14 in Offensive spending- I am fine with this. Surely it will go up once Allen signs on the dotted line. No 2./No. 7 in WR spending- Worth it at the moment. It is a great group. No 3./No. 10 in OL spending- I am OK with this because I think RB is a bigger problem with the run game rather than OL. But if you think it is a blocking problem, this is very much an over spend. No. 1/No. 5 in DL spending- Woof. No 15/No. 10 in LB spending- About right for production in 2020. But the 2021 spending seems high. It will go up a ton with an Edmunds extension. No. 2/No. 16 in DB spending- I like our core 3 here in Tre, Poyer, and Hyde. Our scouts and GM also inherited a quality top tier but have struggled to fill CB2 reliably. 16th is now on the cheap end for the return on production. We have over allocated to some position groups, especially on defense, without great return. You could call this a bit of a FA bungle. But if you drafted more high impact players, we would be allocating resources much more efficiently. I think it boils down to lack of impact from our top 100 defensive picks and whiffing on some FA signings. They go hand in hand. Sources: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/breakdown/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offense/

I am not sure Singletary has much of a value as a pick alone. I think he might get some utility in navigating up in a round. Say the Bills want to move from 93 to 87 in the 3rd to get ahead of Cleveland. Singletary might be work the 7 spots there depending on what Pittsburgh's board looks like.