Mango

I think one thing to point out here is that I believe the NFL is the ONLY league in North America where the yearly TV contract exceeds the salary cap for the players (and by a pretty good amount too). The last NBA TV deal was reported to be worth about $2.6-$2.7B. The NBA has a soft cap, so things are wonky, but even at the "hard cap" of $100M and change, by 30 teams, that is still $3B total, and most teams are well over the $100M mark. The MLB doesn't have a cap and their latest TV deal is about $550M per year, the average payroll for an MLB roster is $120M and there are 30 teams. You can't just say "NBA and MLB players took a paycut and NFL players didn't". The NFL TV contract allows the league to pay its entire roster and have money left over. No other league does that.

The whole point of extending him now, is spreading that signing bonus across years he doesn't have a huge salary. Mahomes is the most recent example. His bonus money is literally the same for the next 4 or 5 years but he is only making like $900k in salary. So you are kind of right, extending Josh does not change his base salary. But he would absolutely get a massive signing bonus that would take effect as soon as he signs on the dotted line and spread over the length of the contract. But no QB is signing a long term extension with say a $40M signing bonus and waiting 365 days to get said bonus. If he breaks his leg, tears his ACL, etc. he is toast and loses that money. There is literally no player benefit in doing what you are saying, It would never happen.

My $0.02 is that much like rape, this is not about sex or massages, it is about power. He can afford any massage therapist in the world. He can also afford any escort in the world. If it were about just a "kink" or getting off, he could absolutely have a rotation of women on speed dial that he rotates through every month (or whatever). I am sure there is no shortage of escorts in Houston who do this regularly. But he didn't because it was never about that. I agree, this doesn't make sense from a kink, sex, or even money perspective. All it takes is one to be true, and the odds of 20 women all lying is slim to none. The one thing that has shifted for me is, did ownership know about it the whole time, and work to keep it quite so they could keep their franchise QB. But now that he keeps asking to leave, they are cleaning the skeletons out of the closest.

The biggest thing that would influence this is willingness to pay Edmunds what some have estimated here, $15M per year. I don’t think LB has played at that value and we signed Milano already. If they aren’t sold on Edmunds at that cost, I think this is in play.

I’m sort of taking this as a Beane reaction thread (leaving the McD draft and FA out, ie 2017). He and McD as a tandem have been one of the best things to happen to this team in a VERY LONG time. The upcoming years will test his draft record pretty hard. QB- let’s get this out of the way. He hit on QB, even when a lot of us thought he missed (myself included). Because of this he gets a pass on other spots on the roster. Obviously the Peterman debacle was bad. Dog stayed healthy without reliance on Barkley, and Mitch is a major upgrade. Grade- rock hard. OL- He absolutely upgraded the line through FA. Morse, Williams, Feliciano, have all been important cogs. This is probably his best work in FA. Ford seems very “meh” at the moment. We all seem to be collectively holding our breaths for him to pan out as a second rounder. Most of us would also probably like Wyatt Teller back. Grade, B-. Holding the Teller trade and Fords lack of being impressive against him. He’s done above average here easily. RB- miss. Sorry guys. Singletary is at best meh right now. Moss looks like he could have some spark. But not enough...yet. Plus the Frank Gore experiment, not good. Grade- D, this has just not been a good group from Gore on. TE- Still a position of need. I would love a stud, but overall I am happy with the passing game so I am not going to grade Knox, Kroft, etc. terribly harshly. That was a serviceable group and look to be serviceable heading into 2021. Grade- C, they were “good enough”. We haven’t spent a lot of resources one way or the other. WR- You could make an argument that he did a better job overhauling the WR room than he did OL and I wouldn’t argue with you. Love this group with or without Brown. Davis looks to be a man waiting in the wings. Diggs, Brown, Beasley, all immediate contributors and game changers for how we play that side of the ball. Grade- A, Diggs alone raises this immensely. Plus Beasley, very good group. DL- Our best DLman is from Whaley still. We have way over spent on bad production. Harry seems like JAG. Oliver was out of position most of 2020, so who knows. Star, I’ll call a wash since this board is split. But his contract is a lot, and we ate a huge Dareus contract at the same time to sign him. The rest are JAG. Grade- below average. LB- I am underwhelmed. We traded up for Edmunds, so with that I am a bit underwhelmed. I am not high or low on him. To me he either has the right feel for the game on any given Sunday or he doesn’t. The difference when he is in the right rhythm/zone is astonishing to me. Milano is exciting when he can get his full snap count. At our current price without an Edmunds extension is OK. This group could face a lot of pitch forks and torches if we get 2020 production out of them for what could be $25M +. Grade- wait and see. DB- Tre was here first. Vontae quit. Norman is JAG at the moment. Wallace is great depth, you could do worse but could do better. Our safety tandem precedes him. Grade- FA/Draft has been average here.

To play devils advocate here, don’t we have one of the highest paid DL’s in the league?

Fromm will have developed...or he won’t have and we will replace Mitch with another vet.

Honorable mention to Peerless price. Dude had one season with over 50% catch percentage. That was his 1200 yard season. Not quite a one hit wonder. But largely unproductive. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PricPe00.htm

I think Peyton Hillis is the easy answer here. I was trying to come up with Bills, Peerless Price gets an honorable mention. He had another year or two of “some productivity” but his career catch % is 52%. He had one year where he caught 1200 yards in Buffalo and 64% of passes thrown his way. Before that he had never caught moire than 50 % of his passes.

Ha! Hey man. I like Davis. I think he has a second contract here, possibly even as a WR1.... But let’s not kid ourselves, Watkins probably passes Davis in the depth chart in the rotation with Diggs and Sanders. Is also probably the 4th WR in a 4 wide set. Sure, maybe Davis has a great camp in 2021. But in 2020 Sammy > Davis.

Has $$$ been reported yet?

I think Dawkins, Feliciano, Morse, and Williams are all better at what they do than what Singletary does as RB1. Could we get better at OG specifically, 100%, but if I have to do one before the other, it’s RB.

I don’t think RB is “terrible”, but given how the line did in pass pro, I am going to give them a slight pass. RB is easily our biggest weakness in that side of the ball. Probably followed by TE, OG, OT, WR, and QB in that order.

I don’t mind Ertz, but I think I would rather have Peterson at $10M over Ertz at $8.5M

I haven’t played much the last 2 years. But I think they worked that one out. Finding good return on trades was way harder in the last one. I’ve been tempted recently to start playing again.

Also, the long game used to be, all picks would roll up a round if you traded them for a future pick. So every draft you take your 7th in 2021 and trade it for a 6th in 2022, and do that all the way up. In 6 years your second becomes an extra 1st.

This Wallace move used to be a weird glitch. I think they fixed it, but it was around forever. But you’d take a mid level starter like Wallace. Overpay but still cheap on like a 6 year/$4M AAV. If you can rotate him in properly and he gets better it is stupid cheap. Then trade him for a 1st or 2nd in the contact year, while you’ve already tried to do the same with somebody else. The super great glitch that has most definitely been fixed in the last Madden is the draft. You’d take a dude like Wallace, flip him for a 2nd in a contract year. Trade that second for a 1st the next year. Rinse and repeat. At one point I did this a couple seasons in a row, ended up with 7 or 8 firsts and another 2-3 seconds. The game maxed out at like 12 picks in a draft, so eventually you have to use the firsts and reset the process.

I have been critical of Wallace, but this is a move you make all day. I haven’t seen numbers yet. But if he’s in the $2-2.5M range, I would even consider pushing it to 3 and tack on a few years. If he gets better, great, you have a solid CB2 on a dirt cheap deal for 3 years. If he stays the same, he’s just depth and is paid like depth. Don’t create holes unless you have to.

Based on his background and the title, I assumed he’s basically the NFL version of Director of Recruiting. Sounds like his job is to maybe help a little with free agents, but also do a bit of schmoozing with FA, agents, and current players. Thats just a guess though. I don’t know WTF this role is.

This is my favorite thread hijacking ever.

I remember that. I bumped into Jim Kelly and Russ Brandon at Lagerhaus95 the night Mario signed.