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Curious if anybody else got vaccinated if ECMC sent somebody out. Hoping Milano and Davis.

It’s sort of hyperbole, but there’s probably some truth here. McKenzie gives the room some breathing room. McKenzie and Stevenson can probably fill the room OK. If Gabe Davis gets vaxed it makes Beasley a bit more expendable, pushing Sanders to the slot possibly. Not necessarily saying we should, but it’s a good thought exercise.

Have we talked about Beasleys latest rap song?

Sure, I am interested.

Give the current predicament the team could be in in the future, keeping a ton of WR makes some sense, but something has to give at another position group for that to work.

OK, that makes sense. I just assumed franchises in general were like munipalities and NYS home rule law. Where clubs can enact house rules like “no dinner with others while on the road”, so long as it doesn’t violate any league, NFLPA, CBA, etc rules.

I was thinking about this earlier. A lot of chatter today about McD, process, locker room vaccines, etc. and how McD leads this team and locker room while being frustrated with personal beliefs. But on the flip side, how do you manage this locker room when Beasley and McKenzie keep talking about not getting vaccinated and fines. When they sit next to a guy like Dawkins, their brother, who said he wasn’t sure he’d pull through. Or Sweeney who missed an entire year with myocarditis? Or Tre, who I believe lost family and considered holding out. How does McD help keep a locker room together based on respecting ones decisions, when they aren’t respecting the lives of their teammates. I think this might be what is wearing Coach down the most. One can manage politics, opinions, religions, lizard kings, etc. But you can’t manage the blatant disregard for some of your teammates experiences regarding their health. I would assume (could be wrong) Tre, Sweeney, and Dawkins have all lost a considerable amount of respect for those being vocal about vaccines, mandates, or any sort of covid is a hoax talk. I think that’s what is probably eating away at McD big time. How does coach look at Sweeney in the eye and say “I have your back as a man?” And do the same the Beasley. He can’t. (Mods- tried to word this as football related as possible. Complicated subject to explain in text. Feel free to delete)

Weird quote. “we're going to be under the same protocols as last year.” "There's league rules and then there's my rules. We ain't going anywhere. We're the same as last year," I took the “I don’t give a crap if they’re vaccinated or not” in context with the above. Vaccinations don’t get special treatment. Everybody follows the same rules. House rules are 2020 covid protocols not 2021.

Isn’t Tampa instituting their own testing and masking mandates?

The amount of responses missing the point here is astonishing…

My first thought was, “I wish they made Ben R. fatter”

son of a butch. You got the quote before I fixed the auto correct. Ha! I think part of the problem is McD was hoping the locker room would keep this in check. That a guy like Jerry Hughes or Stephon Diggs would tell a guy like Cole to cut the poop and at the very least this would be internal and the team would be at league average for vaccinations. Now he has an entire position group that is in jeopardy and guys like Star who took the year off AND didn’t get vaccinated. It seems like some of the complaints are enforcement of mandates. It’s probably time for the Pegulas to pony up and get these guys testing everyday and everybody masking up indoors.

This. I think today we saw a guy trying to manage the fine line between being a leader at work and managing his personal beliefs. At a bar with his buddies I wouldn’t be shocked if McD’s personal preference isn’t to cut these guys, or hit them in the head with a rubber mallet. But part of what makes McD good at his job is he seems to regularly separate McD the coach and McD the person. Right now he is frustrated at the position he is in. I trust him to figure it out.

I know the comment you’re talking about. I thought so but wasn’t sure. Crazy times man. Ha! Cheers!

I am super unsure if this is sarcastic or not? I don’t think I came close to implying that like at all… But also, McD was pretty level headed there….

It has got to be frustrating to him for a ton of different reasons. He has built his career here on stuff like, “process” and “team”. Which for a year he probably thought would favor the Bills. But that’s not the case at the moment. He has far less control than he realized (not a criticism). I’m sure he wants to shake these guys like crazy. It’s probably very personal to him right now.

He did finally come out and say something along the lines of “I am passionate about doing what I feel is right for this country and that is getting the vaccine”. Which is about as spicy as McD gets.

The one thing to yours I would add is that I don’t think the team is cool with “Beasley gonna Beasley”. But he has a higher cap hit. I thought Mckenzie was always insurance against CB raging against the machine. Or even Sanders inside and push Gabe outside. But we literally cannot do either right now.

Per Spotrac McKenzie is only a $350k against the cap I believe. I actually REALLY like the guy as a player. But we can’t have both our slot guys missing time at the same time. It’s just too much of a risk. I would think Stevenson makes the roster for sure now and try and get Hodgins on the PS big time. The need to make up for 3 of these guys could really put a dent in another position group.

That’s really frustrating for a whole bunch of reasons. From a football perspective they are both playing the same position in the slot. It’s not unreasonable to think that both get 4 games at some point. Then we have nobody. Mckenzie could play himself out of the league or at least off the team since he is on a one year deal. Plus Gabe Davis isn’t vaccinated. Envisioning a worst case scenario where all 3 miss 4 games at the same time isn’t great.

I’m in the minority here but I like both the all whites and the all blues.

I largely agree with you here….except for WR…. I think that 90’s WR group is tough to pin down because of notoriety, production, and the way we used them. Beebe was so fast it’s tough to pin him in the slot like Beasley. The guy ran a 4.25. Nothing about Don Beebe was a slot guy. In terms of needing a guy to play the slot, I get taking Beasley over Beebe. But in terms of X and Z. I think I probably go: Lofton > Diggs. Lofton is a true HOF. Diggs could be to. But not yet. Too early to put Diggs over Lofton. But his production in BUF vs. GB are worth noting. Reed > Beasley. Come on. Andre changed the way slot receivers played. Not a true outside guy. 100/100 Andre over Beasley Beebe vs prime Sanders is close. I don’t know what Sanders has in him at the moment. The current groups depth is much better so I give them the edge there. But those starting three, especially Lofton in his prime? 2/3 are HOF’ers. Beasley isn’t sniffing the HOF and Sanders will be in the Hall of Very Good. If you put together your starting 3 WR in Bills history, we are probably arguing between Lofton, Reed, Moulds, and Diggs (in no particular order). I also don’t think our current LB room is a “very good” group. I think they’re OK. And if Edmunds gets what he is projected to, I think they’re overpaid based on production. But I am not terribly he’s up on that idea. I could be convinced otherwise. Especially with a breakout season from Tremaine.

I like the current WR corp better than the 90's. But the 90's D is in front of the current defense until proven otherwise. I think Thurman, Davis, and Andre are huge mismatches for the current defense. But given our WR corp we may be able to put up enough points, especially with Josh being so mobile.

It’s really neither. The team itself won’t market these. Like at all. But there are people who are always going to autograph conventions, etc. who like stuff like this so it’s just a couple of decals and they’ll post it in an online store and/or sell to card/collectible stores/events etc. Even on NFLshop.com, there are a million helmet variations. It’s meaningless. Also, these blow. Gross

Hopefully the anti Maybin who was a sack ARTIST. Here is to Groot being a SACK artist.