Mango

I wouldn’t call the Bills frauds but they really do struggle a lot against physical teams on either side of the ball. I don’t get why they don’t have that in them. I understand why it might give some people pause. But frauds…. We will most likely have a tough time against KC, TB, TEN, NO.

What a wide range. That’s basically the difference between Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay…

I think a lot went right for the Bills last year and it isn’t wild to think we may see some regression to the mean. This team could be closer to 12-5 than 13-3 or the almost14-2 if not for a wild final play by Arizona I think the board regularly over rates Daboll. He’s not terrible, and Tom Graham’s article is knee jerk at best. But the hype last year was just that, hype. I expect to see Allen be significantly better than 2019, but think it’s very likely he does not string together some of the performances he did last year. Long and short, fans came out over hyped this year AND Allen/Daboll laid an egg week one. We are now dealing with the emotional aftermath.

Subway is awful. FTFY

Right. I think you elude to the issue. The issue isn’t necessary the “short pass to replace the run” it’s that they don’t even attempt to use it, or try to run the ball regularly, or try get the TE involved regularly to start picking up 3-5 yards with relative certainty. I do think trying to turn our run game into something it’s not with the same personnel over and over again (OL and RB1) is more of an uphill climb than changing some of the route concepts in the passing game to help facilitate certain situations/match ups. Ultimately I think that also helps the run game as well.

People are probably getting sick of me posting this. But there are a lot of issues that were also around last year. We can run the ball more/better. But sometimes that feels like running into a brick wall. Almost literally. We can also get a very similar result by scheming quicker pass plays. Allen and Daboll have a tendency to run long developing plays, and or scramble to buy time to make a big play. For example, Ben got the ball out in 2.3 seconds last week to Allen’s 2.78. Being able to lean heavily on those concepts when needed should do wonders for this offense.

I like Gordon. But quality WR’s were not t he problem on Sunday.

Also, go ahead and take an NFL team and or the county the court. In the time you will be heard the season will be over and you will have lost the expenses of your attorney fees.

Maybe I am wrong but I assumed that the Pegula’s managed a good portion of the game day experience. As somebody who was at the game, there was zero enforcement of masks in the concourse at all.

With the new County and State Regs that keep coming out regarding back to work and vaccines. I’m curious how this effects guys like Beasley, Davis etc. going forward. Like my office re shut down to go over new regs to address policy. If I cannot go to the stadium without a vaccine (I can) why can Beasley, Davis, etc.

My guess is Erie County gave the Pegula’s an opportunity to manage attendance and use the Hopener as a litmus test. The Pegula’s failed. Vaccinated only now.

I fully agree. I unfortunately will not be going to anymore games. I am not a "hide in your house kind of guy". But I am a "follow the rules, and do your best not to accidently kill your neighbor" kind of guy. I had certain expectations of the game based on how I live my life and my inner circle. 70,000 people screaming packed in like sardines seems like a bad idea unmasked, the guy next to me was spitting on me every time he was talking to me as well, I ended up just being masked for most of the game. I cannot imagine going back to a game under current protocols/enforcements. I am not sure what my expectations were, but my experience was not them.

I will include it here because I am unsure if it needs a new thread. A more interesting stat is that Brian Daboll continuously seems to put together an offense that has the QB hold onto the football for a super long time. Josh is regularly in the top 10 for Time to Throw (TT). Twice in the top 3 for longest time holding the ball. Which is fine. Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, have had years where they have been near the top. These guys can buy time and make things happen. BUT! If we are going to have a difficult time either getting the run game up and going early, or we want to be a pass first kind of offense, we have to be able to mix in some more west coast concepts and get the ball out super quick when we want to. High percentage, short yardage plays.

From a general sense, I felt a little bit "dirty" being anywhere indoors or out with 70,000 people. I just got off the phone with a buddy who got married this weekend who said the same thing about his wedding, and that was only about 100 people. Surprisingly, I had people mock me about wearing my mask in line for entry to the stadium. The people in my section asked me WTF I was wearing a mask when I got back from the bathroom and went on a rant about mask wearing being a bunch of trash. There was no enforcement of masks indoors, bathrooms, etc. Maybe it was just my own assumption, but not a single person at the gates checked for vaccine cards or negative covid tests. Maybe it is because I have the NYS passport on my phone, when I download my ticket, it automatically authorizes it, but I never provided any of that information to anybody getting my tickets or going through the gate. I have to say, as much as I love the Bills, it was rather uncomfortable for a number of reasons, part of them my own, but a good chunk not. If the Pegula's are unwilling to enforce and/or mandate certain requirements to keep people safe, I am glad the county is stepping in. EDIT: For all the eye rolls, vomit, etc. responses. I am in my mid-30's with an extensive athletic background. I am on gabapentin for neuropathy and colchecine for an enlarged heart, both due to Covid in December. I lost family who did the whole "if you are scared stay home" thing, until they had to go to the hospital because of a trip and fall. That person then gave it to my grandfather (they lived together) who now has congestive hear failure due to covid. He went to the hospital with complications and never came home and has since sold the house. I got covid from him, because there was nobody else to take care of him while he was sick, pre hospitalization. It is no joke out there guys.

I don’t have a great answer for this in general. In addition to asking price there are a lot of comments on this board about how Bojo needed to go because of holding for Bass. Is there really nobody else on the roster that we need to swap out our pretty productive punter? (That I wish was still here)

I am not your buddy, pal! 😂 I admittedly didn’t watch the presser and was replying to the tweet. I assumed there was more color to the comment.

The Gene Parmesan of good fortune.

The road to 19-1 starts today!

At the risk of taking the thread off track, I don’t know the solution yesterday. Obviously running more would have changed things. But Singletary was averaging 3.28 YPC before the Steelers went up by 10. So it’s not like the ground and pound would have kept them honest. The defense was proficient against the run.

If I recall I used to ride Singletary hard about his pass pro. His rookie year he was a liability out there on passing downs. BUT!!! I have to admit he has gotten MUCH better. I still think Moss needs to dress. But somebody needs to take the TJ Yeldon role on the depth chart.

If this is indeed the same play, a lot is different. For one, the personel is. It looks like in 2000 the TE is the guy in motion, not your WR. In fact, it does not look like there is a WR on the field in 2000. If the concept was the same, I think Josh did a bad job of selling it is a sneak. It also looks like the snap might have been a little mistimed with McKenzie coming across. He did a stutter like it was a sweep. Gilliam just sort of stands there and lets the play come to him, which sort of keeps Breida stuck in the backfield waiting for the next guy.

Re: The screen game: I will have to go back and watch, but off the top of my head there was one to Diggs that was blown up and another that Allen threw into the dirt. The screen game under Daboll has not been terribly great the last few years. Re Singletary: I went through the play by play on ESPN and checked each Singletary run before the Steelers went up 10 points. Devin Singletary had runs of 8, 2, 6 1, 1, 3, 2, for an average yards per carry of 3.29 . Since you pulled up some his individual runs, we probably used similar or the same source. You just happened to stop at the half and I went to when the Steelers went up +10. I agree the amount of times we ran creates a small sample size. But I also think some of the takes along the lines of "Just run the ball more Singletary is killing it at a million yards per carry" are disingenuous Everything I pulled was valid, all you had to do was go one more quarter and add a few more carries. Maybe you try a little more....

Right there has to be something they can do. But they also did do some different things yesterday with little to no success. I wouldn’t say that the run production/block was inconsistent (assuming that’s what you meant.typo). It was situationally bad. Like when you are running the 2:00 drill and you protect the end zone/big play/sidelines but give up the runs and short passes over the middle that chew up clock. I will have to go through the game again to see what formations were were in for the run plays we called. I actually don’t hate that we can never get the run going specifically. I’m upset we don’t have reliable ways to pick up 3-5 yards with high percentages. I don’t care if we take a surgical approach like Brady and get carved up, pound the ball with Marshawn Lynch, or have a great screen game like Gailey or Marshall Faulk. My issue is we don’t do any of this at a professional level. And we have never done any of those things well with Josh and Daboll. Given our personnel, I am tempted to think that going with a quick as, Brady-esque philosophy is the most applicable. We are never going to maul anybody with her OL, and I have little faith in our ability to draw up a quality screen game. It boggles my mind that I can’t think of a single pass where Allen hit the top of a 3 step drop and fired it as soon as he planted it.

Part of the issue is none of that was working. The screen game sucks and most definitely sucked yesterday. Before we were down by 10 Singletary was only averaging about 3 yards per carry. Once Pitt got a two possession lead, Singletary was getting 10 yards a clip. Pitt didn’t get up +10 until midway through the 4th. The quick passing game has been a weir anomaly under Daboll/Allen. I don’t have a great answer as to why. But when you break it down, the run game wasn’t working until the game was in hand. The screen game was failing. Our QB was jittery. I am not sure what else to do other than to get the quick passing game going. But that’s not anything that this offense has ever had in its wheelhouse. I just don’t know what the executable solution was.

I did not take it as a dig at Sanders, more of a, "he was hurt at TC, the dude gets open, we are having to force the issue in season because of it" Sanders had a crucial drop on 3rd down. I thought maybe McD could have been covering for him publicly in a "Sanders is super quality, missed some time, he has got to get the reps to get the timing down on a new team".