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This isn't a pie. The OL, Allen, Daboll, etc. can all be to blame. Just because Allen or the OL or Daboll screw up, doesn't mean it necessarily shifts or exonerates other parties.

Hoping this merges my above reply. Josh held the ball for as long as almost anybody in the league this past week. He has done this for almost his entire career.

You are confusing short with quick. Josh held the ball for 3.12 seconds per throw last week (about average for him). That was good enough for third longest behind Darnold and Prescott. The only other players above 3 are Siemian and Brisset this week. He was also pretty low on intended air yards this week. Josh had a bad go. Some of that is on the OL. A lot of it is in Josh too.

Oh jeez, if we drafted DK, some guys here would send out a physical search party to go look for Gabe Davis.

I have been one to mention the DL. I don’t think they are bad at all. But I think we are way over invested compared to our current return.

Allen has improved way more than I ever thought he would. He is now one of the better QB’s in the league. He’s elite, but elite at what he does. Allens next step has got to be learning how to change his style to the game he’s playing. If Allen wants to have some longevity and be the player we think he can be, he’ll have to learn to move the defense better with his eyes. And he has to get the ball out quicker. He holds on to the ball longer than almost every QB in the league. Lots of problems with the offense right now. I have some issue with Beane and Daboll, but Allen belongs in that conversation too.

Maybe losing to Steelers Titans Jags will turn the season around like (insert game in different season)

My better half knows something about that... ayyyooooo

Tell me you never competed in sports outside of high school without telling me you never competed in serious sports outside of high school. Releasing a player mid year after a loss to prove a point is a terrible idea, especially with a pretty healthy locker room. This is something Gruden would do.

I think it’s more telegraphing. Allen has to do a better job of holding the LB or safeties with his eyes. To Allen’s credit I think he knows where he “should” go with the ball most of the time. But he makes life harder for him and the receivers. The right read might be Diggs on a crosser, but he can’t watch Diggs and wait for him to get a step or make his cut. He needs to look at the back in the flat to hold the LB. Or follow Sanders on the post to keep the safety high. When he makes the throw to Diggs, it’s a great throw and a great catch. But he made the job harder on everybody. The the easiest example is our screen game (which I also blame on Daboll). It’s snap. Stare at the WR in the flat. Throw. If he could look down field for a split second to pause the defense, guys wouldn’t be fighting through traffic.

If anybody is watching the KC game, the difference between the GB OL with Rodgers vs. Love is something we should keep in mind with Allen’s play today and his protection.

I don’t think it’s that we don’t call them necessarily. I mean, we don’t call much with Allen behind center which changes some things too, but I really think Allen is looking for the next big play. He’s got to stop playing with a TD in mind and has to start just playing for the first down, or the next next first down. Keep us in 3rd and manageable. Take the first rather than the home run.

Right, I agree to a certain extent, but let’s take it a step further. The OL is one of the highest paid units in the league. Our DL is the same. Or LB Corp will be next year. So, like, where and how to we fix that? The FO has heavily invested in both lines, we are tight(ish) against the cap, but our heaviest investments are underperforming. So what’s the solution other than “fix it”

Mine goes to Josh Allen.

I am very concerned with how invested we are in both cash and draft capital and our lack of meaningful production.

So, like, are we not doing a game ball thread today?

I don’t think the OL is garbage. I think it’s “meh”. Allen/Dabs could help the line out quite a bit too. I don’t know what The deal is this year, but JA17 seems to be staring guys down from the snap. Even when it comes to screens. It’s not helpful. I get it, Josh is a different breed. He excels at plus that take some time to develop. He is also good on the run. But Jesus, sometimes you have to be able to get behind center and let the ball fly when you hit your back foot on your third step. I put that in Josh and Daboll. We don’t call it, and Josh never lets it go.

Allens choice to go to Diggs on the final 4th down rather than Sanders who was right in front of him cost the team the opportunity at a tie.

No defense of the OL or Daboll here. But…. The last offensive play of the game felt like a microcosm of some glaring offensive issues. Allen drops back. Protection holds up. Allen rolls right for no real reason. He has Sanders open at the stick, but instead decides to thread the needle to Diggs. Allen was bad and the OL were also bad.

Some juju can’t be overcome. We are good enough to win this game with blue pants OR Allen on the Manningcast. But not both. Universe 1, Buffalo 0.

Im not going to defend the O-Line or Daboll a whole lot. But it feels like the last offensive play of the game was a microcosm. Protection holds up fine. Allen rolls left late for no real reason. He has Sanders open at the pylon in front of him. Tries to thread the ball to Diggs. That feels like Josh all season. You can’t be consistent with that type of decision making. He’s young and a great QB, but he has to stop that.

We keep a lot of guys for ST who are waaay down in the depth chart. Does Taiwan Jones block for field goals? He is like RB7, if he’s not blocking that feels like a very teachable skill.

I think number 3 will benefit 1 and 2 greatly. And really the only way we can relieve the pressure off the OL mid season at this point.

What is the context of this text message? Who is it between/from? Good for the league to push this off to the Packers, I guess. But does the league not keep track of who is vaccinated and who is not? Did they have no idea that Rodgers was not vaccinated and was not following league rules? From a 1000 foot view the “well it’s the team responsibility” answer makes sense….unless you spend 8 Mississippi’s thinking about it. Then it doesn’t make any sense. I think there are a number of scenarios in how this all plays out. I am curious how it all unfolds in terms of punishment from the league or lack there of.

I am one of the screen game Haters. Not that we don’t run them, but traditionally they haven’t been very good for us. I noticed it was much better vs Miami. But for whatever reason, screens feel like so much work for us. Peyton made note of something last night I thought was interesting. It has looked to me like Allen has been locking in on receivers early this year, screens included. Peyton made note that Mahomes had been locking in on his screens early in the game, but started to hold the safety’s for a second with his eyes then hit the screen. Not sure that’s thing that’s been happening with Josh, but it is something I immediately thought of when I heard that.