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Oh poop. Blue pants.

Right!!! Beane is good, he is better than average, almost all the time. But he has compounding mediocre mistakes without any picks where he blew it out of the water. (Outside of Allen of course). For everything we have invested in the OL and/or DL, if either were elite units like we pay/draft them, then we would not be having this conversation at all.

This is McWhaley. But that draft also got us Tre, Milano and Dawkins. Outside of drafting Josh Allen, that is probably the best draft of the McDermott era. We got a franchise CB, LB, and LT in one go. '20 and 21' have an opportunity to surpass it (maybe), but they need some more time/production/return.

Rumours? Like real ones? Or just us posters here? Because unless Morse is retiring, the Bills cannot really afford another hole in the interior.

Jordan Davis aside, given our needs, this might be a good year to trade out of the first to the top of the second if somebody offers and it nets us another 3rd.

I agree with all of this. Two things to add on: 1. Work on better timing passes with Allen. It is not always a protection issue. He has to be better at hitting the top of his drop and letting the ball go with his foot plants. I am not convinced this is all on the OC or OL (sometimes it is though) 2. Use Brieda inside and out, but we need the LB to not just respect the run, but the outside run.

It can be done, but we can't really afford to miss as well. Buffalo has some versatility in Dawkins which I actually think is a plus. If a LT that this staff loves is there at the bottom of the first, I would grab them and move Dawkins inside. Not that Dawkins has done anything wrong (although off year with Covid). But we could, in theory, upgrade both positions with one pick, and that would make him something like the 8th highest paid guard in the league, so not WILD. Not advocating but a possibility. I would probably look for a big bodied DT in the second, then more OL, LB, CB depth in the third if it played that way. Otherwise I probably look for a DT in the first and swap some needs around.

Buffalo has the 7th most expensive OL in the league. That is my giant concern going forward. We aren't just not great in some position groups. We are not great in position groups we have allocated quite a bit of cash and/or draft capital. So now we have to double back fix those groups, and ignore other units, like an DB or LB depth again next year.

We already have one of the most expensive lines in the NFL. Revamping the line will require a lot of draft capital and or eating some of the cap space to spend on another player. This is the same with the DL except worse, because the DL is something like the second most expensive in the league, but not anywhere near the second best unit in the league, and we have already committed tons of draft capital there. It is the combination of both with our $$$ spent on LB's and an impending decision on Edmunds that paints the team in a corner. Something something, cap hell, something something.

Milano and Klein were getting swallowed up. I was trying to keep an eye on them to try and figure out what happened, but basically they got blown out of the play once the ball snapped. It looked like Milano was playing MLB at points, but I will trust somebody else smarter than me as to whether or not that was definitive.

This feels like some hyperbole. I’ve been smacked down for saying this, but most of the best players on this team Beane inherited. Milano, Hyde, Poyer, Hyde, Hughes, etc. I’ve long stood that we could have gotten ourselves out of cap help by being a bit more rational. Like waiting a few months to release Dareus, that would have cut his hit in half. To Beanes credit, he’s long been willing to backtrack on his mistakes like our QB room a few years ago. But this roster seems to be a culmination of mistakes and over allocation of dollars and draft picks to the wrong players. We shall see…

I think the thought is that if it’s important it will come back at the end of the game. Otherwise the board on game day would be 6 version of “this defense sucks” or “can’t believe the refs missed that hold”.

I think the beat version of this team is capable of winning the Super Bowl. Problem is, the 2021 version of this team isn’t regularly the beat version of itself.

Tangential: There has been a dramatic shift here lately with what seems like new-ish posters and what types of posts. I’ve noticed there have been a lot more new threads after kickoff. I don’t mind being critical. But calling people ######s. Personal insults because a player celebrates after making a play (while the game is still winnable), the personal attacks at guys on the roster is not cool even a little. I don’t mind being critical of the roster or players. Being critical is sort of my homeostasis. I don’t mind talking politics on the main page either. But there have been some new ish posters making everything personal and disrespectful. But to your point, threads get locked because the game or half is over. It helps organize information. I’ve been to other boards where threads are 100’s of pages long and it makes having conversations tough. I like it this way personally.

The issue is we are over extended and have kept over extending in a few groups that haven’t panned out and also need fixing. The defensive unit as a whole is great (not today) but the DL alone is meh. But one of the most expensive in the league. We keep 10 DT’s, so the only way to fix it is to pull some away, and replace with something better through draft our FA. But we are a little tight against the cap next year. The same thing with the OL. Except we haven’t invested much through the draft. Just in cash. Both units will roll over to how we address the secondary and LB. If the 5th most expensive OL and 2nd most expensive DL played like the 5th and 2nd best units in the league, we wouldn’t be talking about this at all. And the idea of drafting an Edmunds replacement because of cash wouldn’t hurt so bad. Or we could think about taking a corner high to replace Wallace. But that would be a terrible idea because we need a lot of help at OG and a Vita Vea type player on already expensive units. Beane talked a lot about cap hell, but Beane has sort of put us in cap purgatory.

I really think a lot of our woes (excluding today’s defensive performance) has been about Daboll and Allen. Over thinking and execution. Beating my drum here again. We are WAAAAY over invested in a very mediocre OL and DL. Beanes decisions the last few years with the issues between OC/QB are compounding. Beane has to dig us out of this in the off-season.

Still a ton of really aggressive negativity here today. I’m off put by it. I get the “player x blows”, “eff or d line”, “McBeane messed up a good thing” but the, “we should be booing the team off the field” or “what a loser, celebrating”. Some of us really are the worst.

A lot of new posters here today screaming for Beane and McD’s head over and over. All day. It is weird. I thought we weeded through all the BBMB trash already….

I honestly don’t recognize this team.

That’s what I was checking on to see if anything came out. Otherwise, I can’t imagine if I sneak bourbon in my coffee at work and kill a kid in a crosswalk on my way home, that my company is liable. Didn’t realize about the car/plates. That clearly changes everything. Thanks for the info!

Maybe because it’s been nearly a year I am forgetting something. Why would the Chiefs be on the hook for anything? He wasn’t doing any official business. He wasn’t in a work vehicle? Unless they supplied him with booze or were knowledgeable that he was drinking and let him drive home, wouldn’t they be free of any culpability here? Not a lawyer. I honestly just don’t understand. I would agree that the family deserves all the possible medical bills/care plus much more.

I guess maybe this belongs here. Has anybody seen Gabe Davis’ mom? https://www.instagram.com/p/CWZhnhVlHRM/?utm_medium=copy_link (Also if anybody could show me how to shrink a picture photo on my iPhone to paste it here that’d be great)

I am actually a big fan of the solid colors for the Bills, either all blue or all whites. I also subscribe to the fact that the blue pants are unlucky. So this will do. The all whites are growing on me though. I wouldn't mind if we just officially made them the permanent home jersey, which basically makes them our permanent all around jerseys.

Glenn only played two years outside of Buffalo. Peter’s and Dawkins have spent the same amount of time In Buffalo. I’m not even claiming Glenn should be an all-timer, but he was better, which pushes DD down. Let’s not forget that McD threatened to move him inside or to RT because he wasn’t playing well in 2018. His 19 season got him a raise. Covid isn’t helping at the moment. I won’t hold it against him and won’t count it for him. But two above average after being threatened to change positions should not get you sniffing a list for all time great. I actually think with the Bills OL woes, if they love a LT in the draft they shouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger and move Dawkins inside. His contract levels out as a high end guard anyways and the league is light on quality guards.

Right, just sort of making the point that there isn’t a general consensus on him even being great now let alone all time. That should be a prerequisite for being on an all time list. Also London Fletcher. (So we don’t hijack this into an Edmunds thread, I agree with you)