[Best Player in Bills History]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We are doing this. Who is the best player that the Bills have ever had? Go on record. You can make a case for any of the 3. The “someone else” answer is not reasonable but there for the people who choose to be wrong. The Bills have had great players but there are 3 options as to the “best.”

The disrespect for Brian Moorman is unforgivable. 
 

[Interesting scenario... Bills may have nothing to play for in both weeks 17 & 18]

3 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

This is what I'm concerned about.  Imagine allen only plays one more game while lamar plays 3 more :

 

Allen stats:

 

15 games played

4,300 total yards

40 total Tds

5 INT

 

Lamar stats

17 games

5,400 total yards

45 TDs

4 INT

Head to head win vs Allen

 

Allen winning MVP would be great and all but I’m rooting for a Super Bowl. MVP is the frosting. It’s nice, tasty, but useless without the cake. 
 

(I have a friend who coaches the Olympic Team and constantly preaches “all cake, no frosting”)

[Interesting scenario... Bills may have nothing to play for in both weeks 17 & 18]

3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

I'm hoping the opposite: that the last game is super meaningful because the Chiefs have dropped two of three, and beating the Pats means we get the 1 seed!

The Houston game is a bit iffy because Houston has clinched. But otherwise Pittsburgh and Denver will almost certainly have something to play for and KC will get their best shots. 

 

Mahomes missing this week and losing to Houston sets the Bills up nicely. I think Pittsburgh can beat KC at home with or without Mahomes. 

[So where is Amari Cooper?]

8 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

14 targets for 6 catches last week. 0 targets this week.

 

Not just targets, I think his snap count was super low.

[So where is Amari Cooper?]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

Keon and Amari were key in freeing up our real weapon Ty Johnson. 

I am not sure I saw him on the field once. 

[79 points against in two weeks]

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Get your injured guys back for starters.

 

30 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

Perhaps not. But we've beaten the Lions and the Chiefs now. So which passing team are you scared of playing?

I also thought that through the first 3 quarters or so we were in position to end drives early or TFL but there were a number missed tackles/opportunities. 
 

Where as the Rams we seemed to have just gotten smoked.

 

Cam Lewis was abused today. I know. Special Teams and all. But also….no. 

[It's still entirely Josh Allen]

24 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly when will the defense find themselves?

Later

[12/15/24 Week 15 Bills @ Lions Game Post Game Thread]

2 things:

 

1. Did I miss something about Cooper? I’m not sure I saw one snap.

 

2. Why did it take 3.5 quarters to get Williams on the field? Spector does little for me. 

[It's still entirely Josh Allen]

I don’t think it’s been all Josh all year. But the last two weeks have been.  
 

Sometimes your all star QB needs to be an all star and we’ve gotten that.

 

I think the defense will find their feet again. 

 

 

[12/15/24 Week 15 Bills @ Lions Game day Thread]

3 hours ago, colin said:

You're high in Ingram?  I'm meh on him, which is actually kinda positive for a back up corner.

 

I know it's hack at this point, but he shows good space and some skills, so I'd kinda like to see him at FS and bishop at SS, and elam at corner.

 

They are backups for a reason, but every one of them is a better athlete than the guy they would be replacing today

I think “high” is a relative term. 

[12/15/24 Week 15 Bills @ Lions Game day Thread]

27 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Nothing about Elam's history here with McD suggests he gets the edge over anybody, good game or not.  

 

25 minutes ago, colin said:

Well, we might see the guys I peg as real athletes, elam and bishop starting today.  I hope they make some BIG strides towards fulfilling their potential today, cuz boy howdy are we gonna need it.

The Elam thing is so weird. I don’t get it. He’s played between “OK/Meh/Fine” and “Pretty Well” since being drafted. This camp he was reported to be playing as well as anybody.

 

I’m really high on Ingram and fairly low on Lewis, but Elam not getting the nod would be nutty to me. 

[12/15/24 Week 15 Bills @ Lions Game day Thread]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He's been ok. But nothing spectacular that shouldn't be replaceable. 

Might be pedantic but I think we’ve gotten more value than his contract by a pretty large amount. 

 

He’s getting (cap number) $1.6M (2024), $2.3M, and $2.575 this year and the next 2. He’s well out playing his contract. But there’s no real reason to move on, and upgrading will cost us at least 2x what we’re paying now. 

[OBJ Released by Fish. Belinda.]

5 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Probably the most overrated football player in NFL history 

 

Jadeveon Clowney. 

ODB was at least a really good receiver before he busted his ACL....twice. 

But yes, he is all hype these days. 

[Josh Allen is just a real good dude]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

well they did golf together and Tiger spoke very highly of him so it's possible they are texting buddies now 

 

Applications to become a waitress at Denny's has never been higher. 

[Josh Allen is just a real good dude]

19 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I got Denny's coupons

Tiger Woods is suddenly blowing up Josh’s DM’s.

[Pegula Interview on new limited partners]

11 hours ago, QB Bills said:

But he knows how to run a football franchise? 

 

Truth is, he likely doesn't know much about either sport. Bills struck gold with Allen. Sabres got stuck with Eichel instead of McDavid. 

 

Not to hijack the thread but this team would still suck of it had McJesus. 

The overall problem with the Sabres is Terry's stupid leadership structure. it works with the Bills because McBeane came in as a unit with a prior working relationship But nobody really has any defined roles and Terry just picks sides because everybody rolls up directly to him. The same shirt happened in his first few years with the Bills. Terry struck gold with the McBeane tandem then again with Allen. He is trying to recreate that with the Sabres to some extent. He clearly recognizes that part of the current magic in OP is because everybody is on the same page. But unfortunately "the same page" is a bunch of unqualified yahoos in Terry himself, Forton, and Adams.

During the 49ers game the panned to Terry in his box where he was taking notes on the depth chart. I worry that he is fancying himself a football man the same way he considers himself a hockey man. Splitting up McBeane and bringing in a new person to go to Pegula directly is something I worry about. 

TL;DR: Terry's formula is broken, he just accidentally got it right once. But he is running both franchises the same way he ran them with Darcy, Ted Black, Botts, Murray, Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, Rex Ryan, Ralph Krueger, Ted Nolan, Pat Lafontaine, etc. McBeane have found a way to make it work despite ownership. It is a masterclass. 
 

[The root source of D problems is the D Line]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

How does San Fran hold Rams to 12 points?  NFL makes zero sense 

 

Pouring rain helps. 

[Ok on to Detroit....]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Unless Pegula cleans house, I would guess Beane would be the one leading the search for the new HC. Assuming they move on from McDermott which I don't think they will do anytime soon.

 

The issue is that both orgs runs a flat management structure, which means anybody brings Terry anything and he is the arbiter. It works for the Bills because McBeane came in together with a working relationship. 

That can all change the moment a brand new person enters the equation. 

[Ok on to Detroit....]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah I mean this is the real question facing the organization in the next 1-3 years. 

 

If McDermott and the Bills keep losing in the Divisional, how long does he get? 

 

He's a 5-6 career coach in the Playoffs. 

 

If you keep him too long, you look back and say we had Marvin Lewis, we had Marty Schottenheimer and didn't act quickly enough. 

 

2024 will be his 5th Josh Allen prime Playoff run.

 

 

 

 

I don't disagree, but lets not forget what happened to the Charges post Shottenheimer. They never recovered. Allen is better than Rivers, but they had a QB and the team spiraled. 

Also Pegula, I have no faith in Pegula. 

[Belichick to UNC]

I don't understand this from either side. The college game is so heavily reliant on recruiting and vibes. Belichick doesn't seem like he is all that capable of being  a great recruiter (other than name/resume) and he certainly doesn't seem to be a vibes guy inside the facility. 

[So about the refs tonight UPDATE: Rams game discussion on page 14]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

The false start is blatantly obvious, but I'll give this one a pass, as we got a "phantom" horse collar penalty on JA, so it all equals out in the end.......i don't hear anyone complaining when the penalties actually go our way.

 

You can't have it both ways, fellas.

 

 

 

I thought we were the benefactor of a lot of ticky tack calls that kept drives alive. Way more so than calls we lost out on. 

Somebody I was watching the game at one point laughed and said "I guess we are getting Chiefs treatment tonight". 

I did really like that the DB's challenged the refs to call DPI/holding. We got away with a ton of it. 

[Fire McD and Hire Belichek after we lose AGAIN in the playoffs]

I wanted to give a laughing emoji, but honestly it wasn’t worth you getting a meaningless internet point. 

[What's the deal with Elam?]

10 hours ago, billieve420 said:

Doesn’t play special teams and is behind Benford and Douglas simple as that. Imagine he will get shot at starting next year. Have to believe they will let Douglas walk in FA.

 

Nothing to do with starting. He has been a healthy scratch. Not having a backup corner for the perimeter dressed on game day is strange. 

[Where was the defensive adjustment on Puka Nakua?]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yeah we had arguably our best defender with the best chance of stopping Nakua play him all night and he just got abused.

 

Elam can’t really play inside though so it doesn’t really matter if he was active or not. 
 

I think Ingram would do better than Elam in that scenario.

 

I thought Ingram actually did do better than Taron by a pretty wide margin. Granted different points in the game.

Inside, outside, whatever. The reason I give Elam a shot at some point in this game is to see if he can man up against Nacua and at least slow down the freight train. 

As a whole I thought our corners were extra grabby last night. Something we don't often see. I kind of liked it. We get torched by KC in large part because their corners are super grabby and dare the officials to call it. Good practice for us as we head into the playoffs. 

[Where was the defensive adjustment on Puka Nakua?]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

 

Have to wonder if we'll get to see Elam next week given Douglas is likely out for a while on the friendly fire (cracked ribs??). 

 

Also, it might be time to have the hard conversation about TJ this offseason. We have an out in his deal after 2025. Proactively planning for that makes a lot of sense given his age and slight decline we've seen throughout this season.  

 

Agreed. I have been really high on Ingram. I just like his style of game. Bigger physical DB. 

An aside, i felt bad for both Douglas and Rapp on that play. Rapp has taken some heat for too much friendly fire and dirty hits on the other team. He legit pulled up and tried not to hit Douglas. Tough end result to add to his list of these events when this one was definitely not like any of the others.