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3 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:
What if this is the deal - Terry Pegula is an awful owner and manager of a sports franchise (see Rex Ryan hire; 2012 - 2024 Buffalo Sabres). He did get very lucky once hiring McDermott, who is a good coach, and Beane, who is a very good GM. Do you really want him to be making any more decisions with the Bills?
What if there is a team with a better coach and staff, make better personnel decisions and have a QB as good or better than ours? What if there is another team with an elite QB who presents a nightmare matchup for the Bills? It’s horrible. It isn’t fair but, personally, I keep McBeane in place and upgrade at OC and DC. Maybe that will be enough to get us over the hump.
Here is a bonkers stat.
Before Terry bought the Sabres the franchise had the 4th highest point percentage in the NHL at .553. That’s from a teams inception until 2012.
I since Terry bought the team they have had the worst point percentage from 2012 until today and have plummeted from the 4th most winning franchise to 14th.
If you took the point percentage from Scotty Bowman’s 10 most successful years. Not consecutive years, just cherry picked his best 10 his point percentage would be .693.
If the Sabres went on a historical Scotty Bowman run starting next October it would take the team 10 YEARS to get that point percentage back to the pre Pegula era. It is impossible for Terry to fix this franchise in the time it took him to brake it.
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53 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:
Belichick can't even get a job. Wild!
Probably because of his recent goofy staff/coordinator situations in NE.
His son Steve still isn’t confirmed on Mayo’s staff.Curious if Bill is trying to get some language in his contract around Steve being the heir apparent.
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30 minutes ago, major said:
He said teams today talk about winning but they don’t want to give someone the authority to build the culture that’s necessary to win. He said they like their own culture and don’t want to change. Is that us? Do we just like what we have? Change is hard and takes work. Lombardi said majority of teams are just content to stay how they are and not put into the work to win.
Admittedly I haven’t heard the segment yet. But as a knee jerk that seems like an ownership issue.
Like is who is willing to give up control of the culture and to whom? Like is he talking about the GM not relinquishing control of the culture to the HC? HC to OC/DC or positional coach.
It has been rumored that McBeane have a“no meddling” clauses in their contracts. In recent history Danny Briere requested it to take of as Head/Pres of Hockey Ops and it was declined. This goes all the way back to Ted Black and Regier on the hockey side where Darcy and Terry were having secret meetings about prospects, trades, etc.
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4 hours ago, warrior9 said:
The Bills lost 6 times in the regular season.
In 4 of those losses, the last time Josh Allen saw the field, the Bills were either winning or tied.
Further proof that McDermott's defense and his soft conservative coaching style in crunch situations will continue to hinder this team.EDIT: Wanted to add, The Milwaukee Bucks fired their coach after starting the season 30-13. Winning organizations recognize when change needs to be made. The Chiefs got rid of Alex Smith after a 13-3 (maybe 11-5) season. Pegula needs to recognize that McDermott is good enough to get us a division win and to the divisional round (if we're playing back up QBs) and that's about it.
Terry Pegula has the ability to be one of the worst owners in American sports history. Sure, he got it right with McBeane and Allen.
But as the Sabres continue to careen out of control as they continue to stretch their historical record of ineptitude for a 13th year, I have no internet in forcing Pegula’s hand to be proactive. If the NHL had a QB postion that could save a franchise in 609 days maybe we could have gotten lucky by now. But it doesn’t, it is a business management league, and he’s an embarrassment to the entire league. Terry is a smart geologist who sold portions of his business to business managers, but refuses to relinquish control of the hockey org.
Why would you want Terry to do anything on his own?
Keep Terry away from any business decisions.
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18 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:
Great compared to the 1000ish starting QBs who ever played
Meh. Most aren’t good enough. They’re closer to the top of “best of the rest” than they are elite.
This also kind of reminds me of when teams get ranked as “top 10”. Like 10th isn’t awesome in a 32 team
league. You’re better than 2/3’s of the league. It’s not like top 10 in a field of 60 or 100.
Like 9th at the Olympics is awesome at scale. But comparatively 9th behind Michael Phelps is a totally different class. In rowing if you were 0.5% off the best guy, or goal time for a workout you were a totally different class of athlete.
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I would maybe remove Romo, McNaab, and McNair from greats and move them to “pretty good”.
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I think we’ll see a heavy defensive draft in terms of quantity of picks.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we won’t draft our first round pick at 28. We will move up for a WR or move back because we don’t have a great grade on what is left on board.
One of the two first picks will be a WR.
I also think we’ll take a flyer on a WR in the mid to late rounds as well. Outside of funding an OC or RT to come in and develop behind Brown/Morse I don’t know what other offense we’d take high.
But we also need a couple of DE, DL depth, and a tandem of Safeties with minimal cap space.
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1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
I don't disagree. My only contention is that I believe Diggs can be a contributing feature for at least the next two years. His route running is still excellent and he can still be dangerous, even if I no longer think he's an elite player so I am not in a hurry to jettison him.
Productive and $30M cap hit productive are two very different things.
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39 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
I agree Beane needs to go for the new WR1 this year. I don't agree with Diggs sticking around for the end of his contract.
His cost (before they restructure probably one more time) is $28.4M in 2026. Current dead cap that year is $13.4M.
Could be gone that year.
NO WAY he is playing for $22M+ in 2027 when he is 34 years old with a $4.5M dead cap.
I agree that he won’t see the end of his contract. Everybody in the building knows it.
But restructuring basically guarantees we get close..
Out of pocket so keeping this simple with pre-June cuts. 2024 is the only time
cutting/trading Diggs hurt us currently. Restructuring ties the teams hands and kicks the can down the road. The current situation is below. I think (ouch) a restructure ties us together until 2026.
2024: -$3M net cap
2025: $5M
2026: $15M
2027: $18M
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Just now, FireChans said:
Yeah it was all Kim. she was the one with actual ties to Buffalo. Now that she is out, I don’t think Terry wants to do as much.
I think it is somewhere in the middle. Through and through I think Terry thinks of himself as a hockey guy. In his hear of hearts I think he wishes he was the Jerry Jones of the NHL. But he also hates his failings. So he pulled his investments, put his yes men in place to do it his way, and if the right sale becomes available he will bite.
Ultimately I think Terry Pegula is the worst owner in NHL history and I have zero faith in him to do right by a pro franchise ever. As @Low Positive said, there isn't any magic bullet in the NHL. We can't just stumble upon a franchise QB for the Sabres.
If the Bills were owned by an owner like Bisciotti I would likely have some more openness to moving on from McBeane. I think they are stable in the same way Tomlin is stable in Pittsburgh. Between both them and Allen, they collectively cover for what could be historically bad ownership.10 minutes ago, Gregg said:Unless he passes ownership down to his children. Being an NFL owner is like owning a cash cow. The Sabres I could see him selling. The Bills and Sabres are in different worlds financially. Even if the Sabres do make money (I don't know if they do) it is peanuts compared to what the Bills make.
Good point. This year however it is tempting to make a change with all of the coaches who are available right now. A few of them are proven winners. Next offseason might not be as attractive as far as potential coaching hires go.
Sorry I wasn't clear. I was only talking about him selling the Sabres.
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12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
This may derail the thread (but this thread could use a derailment), but I think that he has also taken giant steps back from the Sabres. The people he chose to run that 💩show are patient to a fault, unlike the previous GMs who were impatient. There has to be some middle ground. Also, there is no equivalent to getting a franchise QB. You are really only as good as your third line and second D pairing. Hockey also stupidly drafts at 18, so building through the draft takes YEARS. /rant
Sorry for the double tap.
I believe that Terry wants to unload the Sabres and unload it to somebody who keeps in Buffalo because he wants to save face.
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8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
This may derail the thread (but this thread could use a derailment), but I think that he has also taken giant steps back from the Sabres. The people he chose to run that 💩show are patient to a fault, unlike the previous GMs who were impatient. There has to be some middle ground. Also, there is no equivalent to getting a franchise QB. You are really only as good as your third line and second D pairing. Hockey also stupidly drafts at 18, so building through the draft takes YEARS. /rant
I don't necessarily disagree. But there have been rumors since early on that Terry has been a meddler in the team. I don't know exactly how involved he is or isn't at the moment. But I do know even the most recent rumors around senior leadership was that Briere required anti-meddling language in his contract and Terry refused.
So while Terry may have taken a step back, Kevyn Adams is the yes man he put in place because he still holds to power over the team. -
Mr. Pegula,
Thank you for staying the fork away from the Bills. The greatest Bills era in 30 years is directly because you stay the hell away from the team. Now please take 6 giant leaps back from the Sabres.
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40 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Beane said he fully expects to compete again for the Championship in 2024We should. I don't think we will lose anybody on offense.
The more I spend time with it the more I spend time with this roster after the season is wrapped, I think we devote a good portion of the draft to defense.
I think we likely keep Diggs, we just have an immediate need at the outside, plus some depth. I expect a WR in the 1st and/or second. But after that I think we likely go hard at safety and pass rusher help in the top 3-4 rounds. After that it is likely depth at both OL and DL.-
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11 minutes ago, Einstein said:
1) You seem to have missed the entire last paragraph of my post. "I'm not saying you force the kid to sit in front of the TV every Sunday and watch, but if they ask you if they should switch teams, the answer in my opinion is “You don’t give up just because the road is tough”. What he/she does with that answer is up to them. But you shouldn’t advise them to give up, or give them an answer that condones the potential of changing teams just because things are difficult right now."
2) Being a jerk to your kid and verbally abusing him/her while he plays a sport has literally NOTHING to do with what we are talking about in this post. I'm not sure where you even drew the comparison.Right, I read that part. I also read the part about new-age feces in regards to a dude who was raised by a WW2 vet and the part about not condoning the idea of a kid picking his own team, sport, interests, etc. I am addressing what you said in totality. Not picking this sentence and ignoring that sentence. You bookended your response with two similar sentiments.
The point of the hockey story is that that dad also thinks he is teaching his kid life the same life lessons, tough love, and anti-new-aged parenting whatever. But in reality he is just being a wiener. He is just too close to see it for himself.10 minutes ago, WhoTom said:I read that, but your "new age crap" comment and subsequent paragraphs (with irrelevant comparisons) set the tone for your argument. There are many ways to teach the concept of not giving up just because the road is tough, and I can assure you that my Dad taught that lesson well - through real-life issues, not sports fandom.
Ditto
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1 minute ago, boyst said:
that's his job to do.
Oh totally. I assumed that the single tweet posted with this quote was in response to all the Diggs talk after this game. I might have missed the mark on that one.
If Diggs was in the pooper, or on the trade block, or being measured for a bronze statue outside the stadium, this is the response that would be given.-
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39 minutes ago, Process said:
If Diggs woke up tomorrow and was about as talented as fat Kelvin Benjamin, Brandon Beane would still back his guy at his EOY presser.
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Just now, Dick_Cheney said:
Ugh I hate that this is even a possibility.
We should've let the governor postpone the game until Tuesday. Then we might've gotten one or two guys back. (Kidding, sort of)
One thing that always irked me is that Pegula hasn't upgraded the field conditions since buying the team 10 years ago. It isn't just that we have turf, it is also that the turf at the Ralph forking sucks. It was installed in 2011 and was the 29th ranked field in the league in 2015. Absolutely brutal.
We have Josh Allen, who has said "I prefer grass". McDermott has said the same thing. And in the 6-7 years they have been here Pegula hasn't made any attempt to upgrade it to grass or even a better synthetic surface.
And on the flip side we have the Patriots. Brady said "I prefer grass" and Bob Kraft replaced it during the bye week.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/29/nfl-stadium-turf-grass-rankings-
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2 hours ago, Einstein said:
Sorry but this new age horse manure doesn’t appeal to me.
Do they get to stop going to school because they don’t want to? Why force them, right? They may end up resenting you!
Do they get to be an a-hole to their parents because they want to? Can’t force them not to after all… don’t want that resentment.
I know a sports team is not the same seriousness level as either of these examples but the foundational and core principles are the same. You make a commitment, you stick to it. Loyalty and other morals are taught - they’re not naturally ingrained.
Im not saying you force the kid to sit in front of the TV every Sunday and watch, but if they ask you if they should switch teams the answer IMO is “You don’t give up just because the road is tough”. What he/she does with that answer is up to them. But you shouldn’t advise them to give up, or give them an answer that condones the potential of changing teams just because things are difficult right now.
I don't think it is new-age parenting at all.
I heard a story the other day of a guy at a stick and puck with his kid. Maybe around 10-12 years old. Dad was riding him hard, yelling at him. Slashed his stick out of his hands a couple times. Eventually tossed his kids stick across the ice.
Now sports are great, hockey is awesome, and learning to commit to your team and your craft is an important lesson to be learned. But it is also OK not to ride your kid under some thinly veiled moral superiority. Can these things not be taught to a kid who wants to play volleyball or mock trial? Can't a kid learn the benefits of fandom by rooting for a different team and a different sport?
Or do we have to force kids to root for the Bills because....toughness or whatever?
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Just now, Warcodered said:
If so they had to be pissed at how the Chiefs ridiculous luck continued to play out, I mean Bills manage to get the 2nd seed and a weak Steelers team great, but then they have the game delayed so the Chiefs get a two day rest advantage, hey league if you cared that much maybe plan on the 2nd seed playing before the 3rd seed, then in the game the already busted up defense takes even more injuries to there LB core.
Not trying to make excuses but the Chiefs have a ***** horseshoe shoved up their ass.
The Bills still use those spinning brooms to clear the field in the snow. They were on the field in some of the pictures during clean up. They toss the rubber everywhere, and it needs to be regraded. My tinfoil hat says that even though the game was delayed the storm ultimately knocked out Bernard, Benford, and Spector due to field conditions.
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The first thing I’d address is why it isn’t fun for him anymore.
Is it his heartbreak/emotion?
Is it your expectations/sadness?
Is it the yelling at the TV?
Solve this and you likely solve the fandom issue.
I remember being a kid and reenacting plays with my dad in the living room. Or being very low single digits and my dad pointing out that Bruce Smith was tough he never wore a shirt no matter how could it was, and at halftime we ran around the snowy backyard in the snow in shorts and a t-shirt.
The late 80’s and early 90’s had a lot of success and a lot of heartbreak. A lot like this era and Bills football. There’s ways to make the fandom fun even with the peaks and valleys.
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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
It almost lived up to that kind of hype. Bass killed a well executed game by both teams with an amateur hour kick.
Allen trying to throw that dagger on 2nd and 9 was almost like an attempt to maximize the drama of the game by giving the Chiefs the ball back to play 4 down football with a minute plus and two timeouts.
I think the league wanted/needs the Bills to win this playoff matchup to keep the hype high otherwise it risks flaming out for the causal viewer.
The Taylor Swift aspect changes something for the league. But in general they’ll want a back and forth at some point.
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19 hours ago, khlax3 said:
I think we have the ability to get younger, cheaper and also improve. I have only gone through offense so far but I was able to add some playmakers on offense, leave 6 draft picks for defense including 1st and 2nd rounders and cut our over the cap amount to about 18 million over which we can easily free up more than that on the defensive side through restructures, extensions, cuts.
Cap savings:
Extend Dawkins (7 million)
Release Harty (5 Million)
Release Hines (4 Million)
Cut Gilliam (1.9 million)
Restructure Allen (23 million)
Total cap savings (40.9 million)
Additions/Re-signings:
- Edwards (2 million)
- Ty Johnson (1.5 million)
- Quentin Morris (1 million)
- Tee Higgins (9 million year 1- diggs gone once number increases)
- Terrance Marshall JR- (1.5 million trade 7th rounder. He hasn’t been good in nfl but was good with Brady at LSU)
-Carson Steele RB UCLA round 5 (1 million)
-Ricky Pearsall WR Florida Round 3 (1 million)
- Cam ward QB Wash st round 5 (1 million)
Net cap savings: 22.9 million
Roster:
QB: Josh Allen, Cam Ward
RB: James Cook, Ty Johnson, Carson Steele
TE: Kincaid, Knox, Morris
WR: Diggs, Higgins, Shakir, Pearsall, Marshall JR, (Isabella, shorter, or hamler)
OL: Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown,Edwards, Bates, Anderson, Van Demark, Doyle
This would make the offense younger and cheaper. Besides Diggs, Morse, and Dawkins everyone else is under the age of 27.
note: I originally created a post for this but since deleted it since it fits in with this conversation.
I like this a lot. But one thing I will add. I think any change to Allen's cap number includes an extension.
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Now that a day or two has passed, can we talk about getting Jason Kelce his own permanent box going forward? (Assuming he retires)
Is there a more famous Buffalo guy than him. Crushing beers, bowling ball shots, shirtless, helping little kids meet their hero’s.
Bills Cap Breakdown by Greg Tompsett
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by Mango
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Gregg keeps saying this and I don't thin it is true. That move alone needs to be avoided at all costs. It is a death sentence. I absolutely cannot take any Bills cap summary seriously that says "Diggs has to be restructured just to get by".
Cover 1 has some good content, but they aren't the authority on everything.
Without extending anybody I got the Bills within $5M of the cap by:
Restructuring Josh (I would prefer to do this with an extension to help alleviate future years)
Cutting Tre
Cutting Morse
Cutting Harty
Cutting Poyer
Cutting Hines
Cutting GIlliam
The roster management page won't let me do stuff like extend Douglas, Dion, or Taron which saves a ton more money.
Trading him costs the team an extra $3M. That is it. On the roster he costs the team $28M. Off the roster he costs us $31M. The delta is $3M.
If the Bills want to move on or Stef wants to move on, they certainly can.