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I am not fine with that for a bunch of reasons. But from a pure football perspective, that means we keep 3 kickers. We have 100 pages on ST'ers vs. Hodgins, Blackshear, etc. Now we are going to lose one so we can keep an extra punter because our guy may or may not have been involved in raping a girl. Eff that. Cut bait and move on.

I believe the are required by league rules to dress a punter. If they can help it he won't punt. I am guessing Barkley/Keenum will be holding as well.

His attorney is an idiot. Like a real life idiot. The twitter attorney is right, he needs to find somebody more competent. ""I don't know. I don't think it was before the draft," Armstrong said. "I'm almost certain it was after. Apparently I said that, so that was a mistake. But he was forthcoming with the Bills, but I don't think it was until after he was drafted because he didn't know that this was ever gonna go anywhere until the LA Times article came out, I think around, whatever it was, five or six weeks ago." "Armstrong said it was his understanding that Araiza did not bring up the allegation to the Bills until the article was published. "I don't know how quickly after that," Armstrong said. "But it was after that.""

FTFY.

I was actually looking for that earlier, wondering the same thing. This thread will likely go on as long as Araiza is on the roster.

I think they spoke to Araiza and the victims attorney and really thought that he would settle to get out of the civil suit, and had some assurance from SDSU/SDPD that Araiza would receive some protection. That all unraveled when Araiza's camp didn't accept the settlement. I think the org is currently unprepaired because they thought they had this all tied up and under wraps. Even if Araiza is a choir boy, his unwillingness/inability to keep the org clean is worth cutting him.

My sister was raped, the police regularly slut shamed and insulted her at every corner, and refused to help her. It took months for them to even speak to the guy. The way LEO treats victims of sexual assault is sickening at times.

Can you repost. Having difficulty finding a copy of the actual entry.

So she wasn't well and had to go lie down? Matt Araiza had sex with a girl who was not well. See what I am getting at here. He can't have it both ways. He cannot be a good Samaritan taking care of her, because that means she wasn't able to give proper consent.

Weird story. But I am fairly confident I was roofied a long time ago. I was at a bar on Thanksgiving with a female friend, and there was a weird guy who kept trying to talk to her. I had only had 3 beers that evening. We both noted that we had actually accidently swapped beers playing darts, but liked what each other were drinking so just kept each others drinks. After about 30 minutes from that time, things become a bit hazy. Then there is a total blank spot where I don't remember getting home. I don't remember the rest of the night in the bar. Not a single conversation. Another round of darts. People I met. I don't remember waking up naked in the spare bedroom next to her. We had been friends for decades, so we sort of had a little bit of a laugh about it. But I have been hospitalized for alcohol poisoning in the past. Was a college athlete and a bit of a recluse/lush in my younger years. I have never ever blacked out in my life. Ever. That is the only time. It was a bar I was a regular at, so next time I was there I told them what happened. And apparently I was the second person to come to them from that night to report something similar. Really scary stuff. But I am glad that we accidently swapped drinks. That situation ended about as well as it could have.

OK. Lets go down that path. Nobody was in the room. Why would he bring her up to an empty room and lay her in a bed alone and then leave to go about his night?

My axe to grind is that there are zero people who are disputing whether this girl was gang raped for 90 minutes and a player on the Bills is involved at any level. At the baseline of facts that everybody agrees on, Matt Araiza had sex with a girl that was so drunk he needed to go help her lay down. My axe to grind is that there are 121 pages of old men who don't believe (respect) women. There is no agenda. And your insinuation that such a stance of believing women and not wanting that trash in my town or on my football team is disgusting.

I agree. I think at the very best Araiza is a dirt bag and I don't want him on the roster. Even if he wasn't in that room, and he brought her up their not knowing anybody else would sleep with her. He still had sex with a girl who was so drunk she couldn't actually consent and he knew it by bringing her someplace to sleep it off after the fact. I had another post above this where I thought the police's attempts to protect SDSU are the biggest reason we are in this predicament and you summarized that perfectly.

The civil suit is to push the DA to make a decision on charges. There seems to be zero people involved who say that a rape did not happen. The girl was 100% raped. The police have 100% stalled efforts to protect SDSU football. Whether Araiza is involved in being in the room is currently debatable. If the police had not stalled, I don't think that the Bills are dealing with Araiza in a civil suit at the moment. That has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

Right. But you get the point. The current steps from the girl and the family certainly fit well within the timeline of a legitimate rape being stalled by a mid major football program and NFL team. Also it would be well worth the arrest for disorderly conduct, harassments etc. My daughter tells me a guy being called a "god" by national pundits on TV raped my daughter. All bets are off and I am not concerned with "disorderly conduct" or "harassments" charges.

This also happened to a girl I knew at UB when I was there. She got drunk and had consensual sex with one person in his room. But was super drunk, and he let another 8 or 10 guys on the team then come in to have sex with her. UB football made it go away. She was a student athlete on another team. She ended up quitting her sport and transferring to another school over it. It was really sad.

I believe that if the police had done the right thing at the front end this wouldn't be much of a discussion. The young woman doesn't even have the results to her own medical procedure/testing/rape kit. If not for SDSU trying to protect their football team I honestly don't think we see this civil suit. At least not right now. If this were my HS daughter and the wheels of justice were actively stalling, and somebody involved were all over national news daily being referred to as a "god", I would certainly turn to the civil courts and the franchise to make this right. I would be at training camp every single day with a sign that said "Matt Araiza raped my daughter" or "Matt Araiza was at my daughters gang rape". I would scream at Sean McDermott from the sidelines in Rochester about what his punter did to my daughter. I cannot imagine that any fathers on this board would "sit back and let this play out"

Meh. I guess. It isn't greaseball lawyer specific. The SOP for NFL franchises for stuff like this is: 1. Pay to make this go away before it reaches the public. 2. Make sure local police provide reasonable protection. Araiza didn't pay to make it go away. Police haven't released results of the victims rape kit to the victim. They are certainly doing their part. There is no special "process" or "culture" in Buffalo. The Bills are an NFL franchise doing NFL things. Same stink, different poop.

Total speculation here. I think the Bills thought 2 things: 1. Araiza would have settled to not be named in the civil suit. 2. They had assurance from SDPD that they would be protecting Araiza (10 months without the results of a rape kit? Come on). The Bills aren't caught off guard from the events. They're caught off guard that this Araiza's camp didn't make this go away. None of this has anything to do with the franchises belief that Araiza was guilty or innocent. And everything to do with this never coming a distraction.

I mean this in the absolute worst way possible. You are a terrifying human being.

One of the most chilling thing about this is how cold my better half is about it. In that it is so believable. I had her look at this thread a bit and she just sort of shrugged and said "that is what it is like to be a woman". Reporting gang rape and hordes of strangers saying you are liar is so common place that she just continues to poor a new cup of coffee. Her casualness just sort of rocked me. I just find it so gross and bone chilling. The older I get the more I admire the resiliency and strength it takes to just exist as a woman. By comparison I am a total bum and all women are super hero's as far as I am concerned. I recommend to everybody on this board with important females in their lives to start doing a lot more listening to what it is like.

What are not the facts? Was she not bruised and bleeding. Did she not go to the hospital?

More often than not your bolded is not remotely true in cases of sexual assault. I’m not concerned with the statutory case. The concern is that he is listed as the one who gave her a roofied drink, dropped her off in the room, and may have been part of a brutal gang rape. I am even concerned that he had the wherewithal to bring her to the room if he was “”doing the right thing”. He just banged her in the yard. She’s too drunk to give consent. The least of my concerns are the floating possibility of a statutory charge. He also knowingly gave her chlamydia. Get this guy out of my city and off my football team.

The first one doesn’t mean much to me. Innocent. Guilty. Get your own attorney. But the second one…that seems to paint the picture that Araiza has been hiding something and that the Bills may be playing catch up because of it. But now that the Bills attorney is involved, things are different.

Oh please. Get the facts right. A young woman was beaten and bloodied by 3-5 men on the football team. The next day went to the hospital. In understand some people want to whitewash this because it’s the Bills. But your boiling down of the situation is disrespectful.