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I don't know man, it is a reasonable discussion point. Part of the fun of fandom is the banter between games and seasons about a plethora of subject lines. This being one of them. If you don't feel Josh Allen's overall play since the KC is worth of discussion you too are welcome to not enter the thread... I agree. Every sports show is this way. So is every fan. We scream about all the offensive holding calls, but nobody is watching our OL close enough to scream at the refs about how much they suck. Fandom is fun. The competitiveness on and off the field is a blast, and message boards, twitter, reddit, etc. is our field. Just take it for what it is.

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If it wasn't Nick Wright, there would be somebody else.

We have been SB favorites for quite some time . The Buffalo Bills SB status and odds have been part of every nationally syndicated sports shows schedule for months. All of these talking head shows need conflict. Nick Wright has taken the role of the WWF heel for Bills fans and it plays off other talking heads. Skip Bayless loves the Cowboys and Brady, I don't think Shannon Sharp hates either. But somebody has to take the opposite side. I don't know what the expectation is, every show to unanimously anoint the Bills? I find Nick Wright annoying, but I don't think he is far off here. QB play has not met the standard that JA17 set at the end of last regular/post season and early this season. I don't particularly care if he is fellating Josh and I don't get the sense that the Bills have not been given enough respect by sports journalism at scale.

Eh, maybe. I don't exactly know how to qualify that but I will say....Josh Allen set the bar for himself at the end of last season and in the playoffs. For better or worse that is his measuring stick now. He hasn't played to that standard in some time.

It is clear that part of his role is to be the heel to Bills fans, "life choices that lead me to be a Bills fan..." But that doesn't mean he is wrong. Allen has been out of sync for a good portion of the season. It just feels like he is either taking home run shots over and over again that put us in third and long, refusing to look at anybody other than Diggs, or he is forcing this unnatural and jerky short game and the offense is not in rhythm. There was a throw that was called back on a penalty anyways where Allen throws the ball into double coverage instead of looking to his right where Shakir could have hopscotched to the end zone. That just seems to encapsulate our offense the last 2 months. I do think involving Knox and the RB's the last few weeks have been good for him and the team.

Nobody is doubting Allen's abilities. He leads the league in turnovers because he tries to do too much at times. It has also taken time to get the defense healthy and firing on all cylinders. Get those things figured out and the host is ranking the Bills higher. Seems pretty fair and respectful to me.... The Bengals have the hot hand in the AFC (hoping that changes Monday) and Philly has proven that the QB position isn't that important for them. They can score a million against a meaningful divisional game with their back up. It is what it is at the moment.

Totally a theory. But Hyde has been featured a lot on the Bills social media the last week or two. I think he stands a decent shot at coming back actually. Beasley can only be called up one more time before the playoffs before he has to go on the 53. I thought he’d sit the Bears game, but imagine he sits via NE. Playoffs reset the 3 game limit. Curious if that has anything to do with Crowder? Might be over thinking that one.

They’ll get Carson Wentz and they’ll like it.

Clearly that’s the case. And the Tua situation is obviously serious. But our staff isn’t any more careful than the other 30 teams (excluding Miami) in the league when it comes to injury management. It’s just a homer thing we keep saying because of Tre in the wake of Tua. I would like to believe this specific situation doesn’t happen in Buffalo. But from a general injury perspective our coaching staff isn’t special. EDIT: I’m not comparing apples to grapefruits. I highlighted a post that said our coaching staff was cautious regarding injury. A statement I keep seeing posted, which is a knee jerk to how long it took Tre to come back. But at scale really isn’t true.

This isn’t true at all. I think it largely comes from Tre taking 12 months to come back, so the fan base has turned it into some noble venture. Allen is playing with an injury to his throwing arm. Poyer played a game where he wasn’t healthy enough to get on an airplane. Cole Beasley played on a broken leg. Mitch Morse will likely be cleared to play at some point after his 6th NFL concussion. Not counting juniors or college. Tommy Doyle played a game with a torn ACL and McD praised his toughness for doing it in the post game. None of those instances are player for at precautions. The Tua thing is a disaster for the NFL, the Dolphins, and McDaniels. But the Bills aren’t some holier than thou franchise when it comes to injuries.

The Jets and Dolphins are a QB away. Maybe the Jets more so than Miami. The Jets with Tua are likely scarier than Miami is at their peak. If I am either franchise I likely consider having serious talks with Payton and what his plans for QB would be. I think both current staffs have both teams in a decent spot, I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger on Payton and a new QB.

Nothing says “you’re all fired in 2 weeks” like naming the clock management specialist you hired mid season as your interim head coach.

I hope this doesn’t happen. If it does I hope the league steps in before hand to stop it. That would be insane. But not out of the realm of possibility for big money American football.

Him being the Miami coach aside, I think McDaniels does a good job of x’s, o’s and prep. He’s really botched the Tua concussion issues, to the extent that he’s endangering his safety both short and long term. If this were my team I would want him out of the building. I don’t care if we were 17-0.

Ok, let’s calm down. Step away from the eggnog.

I was just having this conversation. It feels like it revolves mainly around Tre. But we have a QB with an injured throwing elbow, Poyer wasn’t allowed on an airplane, Beasley played with a broken leg, Morse is going to get cleared to play another NFL game after 6 NFL concussions alone. I don’t think McDermott is as careful as some would like him to believe. McDaniels is just risking Tua’s life.

I actually think McDaniels had the potential to be a grow into a pretty competent coach. He was certainly maximizing Tua. But if you’re Miami I think you have to move on. At least as a fan I would want to. He is a huge part of Tua facing serious long term brain injury. Just from a people perspective I wouldn’t want that in house. Let alone in charge. Intentions be damned.

If Russ played to expectations Hackett would likely still have his job. He’d still be doing a bad job. But he’d be employed and Denver would at least think they were building something. But they’d also be wrong. There is clip from an interview on PMT/Barstool that is super disturbing. Basically in some bio/research class, Hackett pointed a sliced artery of a live test animal and started squirting it at his classmates. And that’s the moment he knew he was going to be a football coach because of his “sense of humor”.

Yeah, it’s not a hill I am dying on.

My preference a few weeks ago went: 1. Pats 2. Jets 3. Dolphins With the Phins imploding and the Mike White hype train, I think I might rather see the Dolphins in January.

Hackett is only a very small part of their issues. Broncos are toast going forward. I wouldn’t touch that job with a 100000 foot pole. A washed up Russ with CTE and the worst co tract in the NFL. No first round picks, and an estimated $15M in cap space.

Good to see that the QB position barely matter in Philly. Gardner Minshew putting up huge points.

It looked like a straight crosswind most of the game. The wind pushed it left outside of Cooks hands underneath which means it sailed to LB. He didn’t mean that it sailed down field.

Too much hero hall this year to be MVP. I really didn’t understand taking that scramble/throw away on 3rd and long rather than at least giving Singletary a chance to make a play. He is amazing. Likely the most valuable player to any franchise in the league. When he’s hot he’s the best player in the league. But sometimes he links these drives together with the dumbest decisions.