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I actually don’t think there is a price. Not for 10 years.
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Is Lamb available? I would take him over Aiyuk.
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12 hours ago, Turbo44 said:
I can’t wrap my head around worthy. Super fast 40 but he’s not a one trick pony as he had 3 years of nice production. Still I don’t know if I could draft him early??
Maybe I’m the only one but watching his highlights he doesn’t seem as fast as his 40. Legette looks faster than him.
Does anybody else think his game speed is not as fast as his 40 time?
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7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
The sad part is when Josh is an MVP candidate again, the media and his critics are more likely to say that they were wrong about his weapons being bad when Josh makes Kincaid, Shakir, a rookie, Samuel, etc look great this year. They are more likely to say it’s because Josh is loaded with the best young weapons in the game than they are to give Josh the amount of credit he will deserve.
Josh 4 year average is 5100 yards and 44 TDs, and they have done everything in their power to discredit Josh and make others the reason for that like Diggs. Never seen anything like the criticism he gets. It’s like the media and critics have made him a villain because he hasn’t eclipsed Mahomes. It’s insane, especially for a guy a classy, likable, and charitable as Josh.
When this happens you have to ask what they’re all so afraid of.
Why do so many Chiefs fans come here instead of visa versa? What truths are they so desperate to shoot down?
The answer is that they are terrified of what Allen COULD become if everything finally starts to go his way.
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1 minute ago, DJB said:
I’ll say it again like I’ve said before, we don’t have the cap space for Aiyuk or Higgins . No point in discussing
With the cap creativity out there, I find it hard to believe. Especially with Tre opening $10M in June. And restructuring options we haven't used yet.
And right after everyone said it was impossible that we trade Diggs.
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3 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
This. We get the young WR hitting his prime again and then even draft the pretty substantial Gabe Davis upgrade at 28 or possible trade up in the second. Don't worry the Bills can still rotate TBD legend Shakir in for the rookie at times but let's be real here Shakir is a number 3. Sorry not sorry.
That's what the "cost control" people are missing. There's a reason why rookies are cost controlled. It's because half of them bust out of the league in 3 years, including top picks.
They look at guys like Nacua and Jefferson and assume we can get one of those guys at #28 ("Beane BETTER hit on those picks or else he NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLESDFGNSFGDKJNSFDKGNDFSDFKSFMSWFW#$%@#%$#%$#"). But when was the last time we hit on an offensive pick like that on year 1? Even Kincaid didn't have as strong a rookie year as those guys. It's not common.
Trade for a top young guy so we can still win the division this upcoming year, use next year's cap space for the contract, and draft a solid WR2/3 in late first or 2nd round for the future. That's the right move.
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4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
It's possible. We trade for him look for us to go DE round one or trade back.
If I could get Aiyuk for a 2nd next year, I trade back from 28 into round 2 and pick up a 3rd.
I think that’s what the move would be. Aiyuk for a 2nd and then trade back #28 to the 2nd round and draft McConkey.-
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On 4/11/2024 at 10:42 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Knock yourself out, buddy. This is what I found in 3 minutes of searching.
Everybody here knows how much Allen has been criticized about being a turnover machine despite those interceptions usually not having an effect on the Bills winning games. Their record for the past 5 years speaks for itself.
What’s really funny is you judging me because of a disagreement on a message board.
None of the things you originally said are in there.
Nobody disagrees that Allen has been criticized. They just rightfully called out the made up things you said.
Nice sleight of hand though.
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I agree we need a good draft, but I also think getting rid of Diggs will be an addition by subtraction.
We’ll surprise people this year.
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4 minutes ago, nucci said:
kinda like pro sports with free agency
Pro sports at least have contracts. But college sports had a different charm. Kids growing over 4 years and seeing them go from freshman to big time junior and seniors.
Now I don’t even know what to watch for. They’re about to ban court storming even.
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With players transferring every year and teams being unrecognizable every season, I no longer follow college basketball like I used to. But March Madness was once must watch TV in my life.
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2 hours ago, papazoid said:
i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick
i have two 2024 4th round picks.....i will trade both of them for your 2026 2nd & your 2027 1st
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1 minute ago, VaMilBill said:
I haven’t watched a ton of 49ers football, but Aiyuk doesn’t seem like someone who really takes a game over and dominates like Justin Jefferson. I could be wrong. But I would be disappointed if we gave a boatload of picks and a big contract up for someone like Aiyuk
I actually agree. He strikes me as a mid-level WR1 who wants to be paid like a top level WR1. More of a McLaurin or Ridley level receiver.
Better than anything we have now, but still.
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1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:
I would absolutely hate that idea. He is not even an average wr. 1400 yds receiving with 11tds over the past 4 years combined is horrific. Any rookie especially in the first two rounds would surpass that.
He’s not that bad now. Watching him with the Ravens he would be a rich man’s Emmanuel Sanders circa 2021.-
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4 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said:
Now that Diggs is in Houston, WR is an especially big hole on this team. I'm personally in favor of utilizing the draft to shore this position up. Trading up for an elite guy (the most unrealistic option) such as Nabers, would be my ideal option, but even moving up a few picks into the early 20's for a Brian Thomas Jr. or AD Mitchell would work.
However - would anyone be interested in the Bills trading for an established player and allowing the draft to fall to them? If so, what WR's do you think would be possible, productive, and available?
My vote would be Davante Adams. Per Spotrac he has a cap hit of just under 17 mil and an out in his contract after this season (voidable years I believe) that would help with the comp pick formula. Adams doesn't want to go through a rebuild with the Raiders (I'm in Vegas and this is a known "rumor") and wants to finally win. championship. Thoughts on this or any other WRs?
He’s incredible but he’s 31. We need to think long term. 3-5 years at least.
If we use up our picks and take on a huge contract it should be for someone younger like Jefferson or Aiyuk.
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19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Milano is (and was) the 2nd best player on the team. He’s a top of the league player at his position. I’d says he’s the only other star on the roster.
The Bills have a lot of good players and most of them are ascending still. They lack top of the roster talent for sure. They’ve lost to the teams who have more top talent.
Milano is 30 this year and recovering from a bad injury. LBs tend to start to decline, albeit slower than other positions, in years 8-10.19 hours ago, SCBills said:Remember the year we were Super Bowl favorites?
We rolled into LA with Allen, prime Diggs and Von. All 3 played like impact players. Team looked like a juggernaut.
Then Diggs faded and disappears in the Playoffs. He’s gone. Von gets hurt. Hasn’t been the same since.
Who do we keep losing to in recent contending years? KC (2) and CIN (1).
CIN Impact Players:Burrow, Chase, Higgins
KC Impact Players:
Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, Hill
Mahomes, Kelce, Jones, Snead
Who does KC roll into ‘24 with this year?
Mahomes, Kelce, Jones
We should always be at 3 impact players. That seems to be a consensus number of what you need to lead your team into the games where it matters. Who can you count on to step up in the clutch.
We enter this year with:
Allen. ?. ?.
Kincaid is a guy we can reasonably hope becomes an impact player.
So where does the third impact player come from?
Not sure I see any DT’s or EDGE rushers out there for us that fit the bill. Same goes for CB.
Maybe Simmons at S? But that’s not a position I’d advocate paying big money at, especially for an older player. And can a S really take over a game?
All roads lead to WR1.
The Bills, who haven’t been able to get over the hump, could draft around 28 and or slightly move up for a Tier 2 WR. And that’s fine.. maybe this time it works. Maybe they double up with a vet or in RD2 and we have a really nice WR room, albeit without a true game wrecker.
Or maybe we finally get that guy to join Allen and potentially Kincaid. To give us that 3rd impact player.
A trade for an Aiyuk level receiver or packaging up picks for Nabers would signal a massive shift from building a roster with no holes, above average talent everywhere and plenty of depth (who haven’t been able to win when it matters) to a team with guys coming at you that can truly take over a game.
There’s risk involved if doing this through the draft, but the Big 3 all seem to be consensus Top 5 picks in any other draft.
Of course, the other option is fielding a competitive team this year, while playing it safe with the intention of going big fish hunting in FA next year.
So.. which way Beane?Because at some point.. Josh Allen needs 2 other impact players riding with him. A luxury that has helped propel Mahomes over him year in/year out.
The obvious way to get there this year is by going all out to address WR1.
I think Kincaid becomes a Hockenson level player, and not a Kelce level player. That’s great but not HOF impact like what you are suggesting.
Simply put, unless Bernard takes another leap, the Bills need a Justin Jefferson or Marvin Harrison Jr to get that type of player in 2024/2025.
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1 hour ago, Ghs24mike said:
Was listening to Joe Marino on the Locked On Bills podcast- he had a guest on one of his most recent shows who talked about Diggs. It brought to light, with data, something that I was feeling, but couldn't put my finger on.
Diggs has lost the ability to separate down the field. To be fair he was never an elite speed guy, but the data shows that past 10 yds Diggs was not getting any separation, couldnt stack DB's, etc.
Long story short, the argument that Diggs was getting a ton of attention which opened the game up for everyone else down the stretch wasn't true. Sure there was the occasional missed throw by Josh, but that happens to every QB. He simply isn't the same guy he was when he came to Buffalo.
If Beane makes the right moves in FA and the Draft to bring in a young receiver, with speed, I believe Josh will play even better next year than this year.
He will put to bed all the arguments and the Bills will be improved on Offense.
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22 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:
So hypothetically we’re looking at:
1. Nabers for Pick 28, 2024 4th rounder, 2025 1st round, 2025 2nd round
2. Odunze for pick 28, 2024 4th rounder, 2025 1st rounder
3. Thomas Jr for pick 28, 4th rounder, 2025 2nd rounder
4. stay put at 28 and take Mitchell, Franklin, Worthy, Leggette, or McConkey
5. trade pick 28 and a 4th for Aiyuk
6. trade pick 60 and 2025 2nd rounder for Metcalf
7. trade pick 28 and next years 1st for Higgins
8. trade back from pick 28, pick up an extra 3rd and probably pick from the same group in scenario 4 except maybe mitchell and double up on WR in 3rd or 4th round
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On 4/5/2024 at 10:23 AM, Saint Doug said:
It’s not my money, nor is it yours. As we have seen with this offseason, many things can be done. We all thought we would buried by the cap this offseason. That didn’t happen. Next, we thought Diggs could never be traded. It happened. Acquiring Auyik is likely possible. You would need to extend and restructure the contract to get the breathing room for this year and backload it to next year.
It’s just that if we draft a bust, we’ll be in trouble. Our FO has no track record for identifying great WRs. Allen is in his prime and want something more definitive.
Not totally true. Davis and Shakir are very good draft picks considering their round. Diggs was a home run trade.
It’s really just a swing and a miss in Zay Jones, who has oddly carved out a nice career elsewhere and was before Beane. McCloud and Hodgins were late rounders with careers elsewhere. FA picks have been hit (Beasley, Brown, Sanders) or miss (Harry, Sherfield).
So really, we haven’t seen Beane take a big swing yet except Diggs. Last time Beane had a desperate need he took Allen, so we should trust him here.
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3 minutes ago, BRH said:
I was just thinking about that this morning. His HOF candidacy will now turn on whatever he's able to do in Houston and/or wherever he goes after next year. If he lasts another five years and doesn't win anything, he'll probably get in as a compiler after having to wait awhile. He has had exactly one memorable positive playoff moment (and it wasn't in Buffalo). Andre is seen as a compiler and had to wait a long time; he had seven Pro Bowls to Diggs' four and at one point he had more Super Bowl receptions than any other WR, plus he had that three-TD second-half performance in the Comeback. Diggs gotta do some work if he wants to be seen on that level.
He needs a SB as an important contributor.
Otherwise, how is he better than Hines Ward or DeAndre Hopkins? Larry Fitzgerald?
Maybe Andre Johnson level.
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He did want to win, but his clock was ticking.
2022 was an impossibly stressful year. We ran out of steam against the Bengals.
Allen had the luxury of taking his time and recovering because he has 10 years of elite play left. Diggs didn’t. All understandable.
The problem was that Diggs refused to go with the flow. He started creating enemies, becoming a distraction. It ended up hurting the team that needed him to be elite down the stretch. His ego didn’t want to admit he was now suddenly part of the problem. His MIND went from friend to foe.
Then he doubled down this offseason. Away he went to Houston.
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6 hours ago, Punch said:
This doesn't mean there weren't issues between them but I scrolled through Josh Allen's likes on Twitter and saw this from the Week 18 win in Miami. Whatever happened in the lockerroom after Week 1 probably wasn't notable to reporters at the time because by many accounts, they still seemed to be on the same page. Blowup happen even amongst friends and family.
Obviously, each individual moment doesn't tell the whole story, but I thought it was interesting to reflect on it nevertheless:
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There’s a strange, hateful contingent of the fanbase that is always looking for a way to go after Beane.
It’s almost like they resent him for his success and try to pick at anything they can.
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This is the guy to get.
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Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?
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I don’t think they have anything they could possibly offer. But I’m more bullish on Allen than even those on this board.
I would offer them futures. Allen in 10 years for xyz assets. Haha that’s if I absolutely had to.