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Lawrence has been playing hurt all year. Don’t downgrade someone for showing toughness.

There’s good discussion here but in general the public perception is: ”Allen for MVP? Hahahahaha. They’re going to miss the playoffs because of his turnovers!!!” That’s the level of discourse and thought we’re dealing with.

Those kinds of biases based off the Jets game is why Allen has an uphill battle.

Notice it’s always the downer fans that tend to run to support opposing team QBs? Why is that? Maybe that’s the conversation we should be having.

Any team can lose to any team any given week. But very few can beat any team any week.

Mahomes getting a taste of what Josh Allen dealt with most of his career.

Here’s the 1999 issue of THN where they rank Hasek #95. This would’ve been near the end of his Sabres career and his NHL peak. He won a cup with the Red Wings in 2002 on a stacked team. https://thehockeynews.com/news/the-top-100-nhl-players-of-all-time-throwback-style

He was known as great, but not GOAT. At least outside of Buffalo, in hockey history circles.

He is now. It was only after he retired did the hockey buffs really accept him as GOAT level. Maybe in Buffalo.

He won the Vezinas and Harts but he was not looked at in the same historical light as Roy or Plante or Sawchuk at the time. Main reason was no cups. Second was being in small market Buffalo. And third was the European bias which was much stronger back then. Another reason is he came to the league when he was nearly 30 playing most of his early career in the Soviet controlled Czech Republic so his win totals weren’t high. It was only after retirement did he start being seen as the #1 or #1A goalie of all time (next to Roy).

I agree. But there are debates happening about him.

Appreciate you checking. We’re starting to see that Allen is already at the Andrew Luck level, a guy people are already pushing for the HOF. Allen keeps this up for 10 years and he will be remembered the way Hasek is in the NHL. Known as a great goalie during his time, but only appreciated as one of the GOATs after his career ended and people became gobsmacked after looking at his stats.

Do we have the same list for total touchdowns?

You’re a really obvious troll. You should watch Einstein to see how to do it better. He at least pretends to be a positive fan sometimes. Mix it up a bit!

BigDingus is a great username for the OP.

This isn’t a football thread, it’s a guy crying out for a therapy session.

Nice rebuttal. I was thinking the same thing. The logic he used to dismiss the OP he didn’t use to counter it. What he’s really saying is “negative situations are ALWAYS our fault. No excuses allowed under any conditions whatsoever.” That’s what happens when people think with negative emotions instead of their brain or gut. “No excuses” is an interesting argument. You notice it is a certain type of hard ass, not always bright type of fan that parrots this. Basically there is truth to it. We all have independent agency to change our outcome in life. That sort of American pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality. But it’s never black and white. Even the greatest men and women who ever lived had ups and downs. Life moves in cycles. Sometimes the universe punches you in the mouth when you least expect it. The sign of a great person at that moment is showing resiliency and getting back up and punching back. For these fans, the fact you got knocked down already means you lost. Basically these fans lack the wisdom of life, despite whatever age they are. They don’t understand cycles, resilience, and the way of the world. I’d argue they have little victory in their own lives to understand what it looks like to win at this type of level. There is a time and place for “no excuses” and “no moral victories”. But there also is a place for them when you fight your hardest against the flow of the river and come up short. Josh Allen’s career has been the epitome of this. He literally pushes against the walls of the matrix and causes glitches which are then seen in the strange narratives around him. These concepts are simply over the poster’s head. That is why he had a blind spot to his fallacy that you called out and an emotional bias towards the negative.

Kicking in perfect weather.

You may note that many of these same fans complain after other blowout wins by criticizing timeout management or an Allen pick or something else. What they’re really saying is that every game must be a perfect blowout like the Cowboys game. Completely out of line with the reality of football, even for dynasty teams of the past. This is going to be a little deep but they are miserable because they project the same thought process on themselves. They must be perfect or THEY are not good enough. And since they’re clearly not perfect, that is why they are so miserable. They then project it on the team. And we look at them and wonder what the hell is wrong with them.

I love the concept. Intensity was high and reminded me of high level soccer intensity which is unbelievable. But I agree they need better content between plays.

Josh Allen Hattrick. 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 Hail Mary interception

Well thank God that nonsense is over. Now let’s win out and not have to worry about these scenarios.

Wonder why they stopped running the Von Miller / Diggs ad too haha. Advertisers were slow to include Allen because of the national narratives. It would only make sense they would be finicky if the Bills played poorly. I do see him on many graphics on websites and so on, but those probably have a shorter decision cycle than TV ads.

Recipe for Bills blowout tonight.

I swear these people who keep saying “if X happens then we don’t deserve Y” have self esteem issues.