RevWarRifleman

Well put, K-9. He was tough too. Basically played his whole pro career on one leg. Team guy, skilled, and tough. On a side note,I think you're on to something. Yes, steel shavings in the Iron City beer. I should have caught that. Could it be the cause.....? I'm going out and buying some Iron City to "experiment" in my lab.

Ah someone from Pa., great. Perhaps you can shed some scientific information about what is, in my mind, clearly a sport phenominon. What IS IT about this northwest region of Pa that has produced such great NFL players??? And yes, its amazing the number of HOF quarterbacks from that region. Is it possibly iron ore flakes in the water? How about the food, 'Buffaloed in Pa'? Just like various regions in the U.S. has its noted dish, Buffalo wings & beef on weck, Balitmore, crab cakes, Maine, lobster, on and on and on? How about, instead of crosses in the local churches in western Pa., they have footballs? Any of these theories close 'Buffaloed'? God I hope not because w/ all of these I've obviously been very facitious.

Buftex, you're welcome. Back in the late 80's - early 90's HBO did a documentary on the AFL called "Rebels With a Cause: The Story of the AFL" I think you might like. It told how the AFL got started & its early years of existance, which was the bulk of the story, I believe, and progressed it through the years, to its merging w/ the NFL. They used old news clips, comments from former players, coaches, and owners of how things were in those early years. The things they remember and told about, gives you a better sense & appreciation for what they did and, the AFC today. They had Nick Bounoconti when he was a Boston Patriot, telling about the conditions of Buffalo's War Memorial Stadium (I watched Namath play there) & saying "it looked like something that was built during the Dark Ages." LOL Ya can't beat that! I don't know if you could get a copy of that documentary, thru Amazon?, or Google it?, Wikipedia??? I don't know. But I think you'd enjoy it. Well put.

SJBF, you're one of the several posters that I like reading on the message board, good, intelligent, insightful posts on a LOT of different Bills topics. Ain't trying to butter up with that, either. But I've got to take exception w/ you a bit on this one. I wasn't trying to compare the football careers of the two, just the fact that they were two, of the many, HOF-ers that grew up in that region from similar towns & environments.I got the impression from your post that you were more into their stats on the field. And therefore, there's little comparison to Kelly. Well, sure, in that sense alone, yes. Don't know how old you are, but if you are old enough to remember pro football from the middle 60's on, Joe Namath was an Icon even before that Super Bowl (III). In '65 the HUGE (for those days) contract he got helped to put the AFL on the map. The guy had literally a large national following from coast to coast. Anything Joe did, on or off the field drew national attention- especially if it was off the field. This was further enhanced because he played, on and off the field in the Big Apple. NYC had way more lustre then than I think it does today. The guy was clearly the first Rock Star football player. His helping the Jets to win the AFL's first Super Bowl cemented his career and paved the way to his HOF enshrinement. Great football stats? No. But Namath had a huge impact on shaping the American sports culture.

My wife and I watched HBO's profile of Namath's career last night. Was one of the more interesting stories about him. Well done. Another great football player from from western Pa. Beaver Falls, East Brady, there all the same, blue collar towns where sports was the big thing. I'd like to see HBO, or some other network, do a similar documentary on Jim. I think it would be interesting. Any thoughts/comments?

The team wasn't ready to be successful??? Then why did they bother to strap on their helmets & take the field? Where's the hunger? Where's the drive? That's basically saying, "well we went through the motions during the week in preparing, but we really don't think we're going to win when we take the field." Thanks a lot!

The title in the post was using a current game from this past Sunday, and linking it to Jauron. It had nothing to do with linking the play of the Bills in the last 10 years. Even if the Bills go 13-3 in 2012, there's always going to be SOMETHING that somebody can take, and link it to a Bill, or one of the Bill's coaches in the past. Look, I was never a Jauron fan from get-go. But taking a piece of a non-Bills game today, and still crying about one of our coaches in the past is carrying it too far. Forget about Jauron. The past is in the past.

Forget about Jauron. The past is in the past.

Ditto that.

To me, there seems to be more questions than answers at this time. The record, 6-9 at this time, doesn't indicate that much of an improvement over last year. Yes I know all about the injuries. But there's many uncertainties, I see, going forward. What calibre of player acquistions will be made in the off-season, both FA & the draft? Who will we keep on our roster during the off-season & who will be let go? That includes the DC. What positions will we address in the, say, first 3 rounds of the draft? Chan once said that "football is a tough game played by tough people". Yet why won't we "ground & pound" the ball more instead of relying so much on a finess offense? Are we finally going to change the "culture of losing" next year or is it going to be more of the same from the last 12 years? On the other hand, I've seen some good things since Chan/Nix: Last April's draft I think was a good one. We have an offense that's for the most part, fun to watch. (I don't think that's a contradiction from the above statement.) I'm confident Fitz will improve. Looking forward to the K. Williams/Darius tandem next year. That's just a few things, for what its worth.

X soldier, you don't fool me at all. You're a troll, NOT a Bills fan! Yours is the most pathetic post I've read so far on this message board. You took something positive that the Bills did, and spent the rest of your post turning it into a negative. Your post is laden with pathetic, really ignorant claims like,"this win cost them dearly in next year's draft", "where there's pressure, they fold", and on and on and on. "Rooted for the Bills since 1960"? Really? And this is the height of your knowledge of the Bills? Pathetic. Crawl back into your hole, and your miserable life, and quit trolling our message board.

I know. Amazing isn't it?

I never said anything about it being "readily acceptable". I'm not happy with it either. I just wanted to point out quickly, without going on-and-on that there are many other franchises that have played even worse, for longer periods of time.

you're calling for a new coach already?

silvermike, thanks for posting this. as disappointed as we all are about the bills not making it again, this offers a little perspective. not saying we should'nt be disappointed, but there has been worse. amen to that.

I lol'd! That's cold, man. Funny though.

Upper echalon playoff/super bowl teams have balanced teams. Strong defense & offense. A strong defense will get you into the playoffs faster, you start there. You build your offense as you go along. We don't have a "weak" offense. We DO have a weak defense. We also need to add depth on both sides of the ball. We need depth all around badly, and a few more play makers on both sides of the ball. Amen to that, jw.

+1

Blizzard, I like the positiveness of your original post. But, I feel that if Merriman doesn't perform next year w/ lots of sacks, we still should keep him during next season for depth. This team meeds depth badly. Then in the off-season, look for a replacement.

Exactly, Jwolf! I was thinking of the Baltimore game last year too. The rules committe in the off-season has to look at plays like this. Its too obvious what the opponent has planned. Corral the reciever w/ a bunch of guys holding him up & "walking" him along so there's some forward motion to continue the play, while 3 or 4 other guys mug him to work the ball loose. The initial 2 to 3 guys that first hit him weren't trying to tackle him at all, just holding him up while they & others go after the ball. The Rules comm. has to do something about these tactics.

Elda, hope you're right. I think it's possible if they play the rest of the way out like they did against the Jets last week. And playing 3 of those 4 games at home should help. Reality is though, Elda, I think we have at this time, too many young players playing for the first time. They're learning as they go along, OJT. And in the NFL, mistakes will be made as you go along. I agree with Promo the Robot in that 2 - 3 wins is more like it. And a lot has to go right to get the 3 wins. The huge X-factor I feel is our D. Who knows though, the ball bounces in strange ways some times. In closing though, if the Bills wind up 8-8, especially w/ all the injuries, that's a good season and A: an upgrade from last year, B: a good springboard to go into the off season w/ a good feeling going forward to next year.

Well this would be good news if he left. But am I missing something? What about promoting Wann-stach to DC?

Likes: "Do you Billieve it!!??" Van Miller "It's Fandamonium all over" Jeff Wright Where else would you rather be, than right here, right now? Who the hell is our sponser, anyway? Earnie Warlick during his TV show No one, circles the wagons, like the Buffalo Bills Lobster Dainties, a Paul McGuire story Thurmal Thomas "Caught by Reed. Touchdown Buffalo"!! Dislikes: Wide Right, tops'm all Music City Miracle "Lost 4 Super Bowls" Any negative comment about "Buffalo weather". overplayed

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, CSBill & for keeping things in perspective. Same wishes go to all Bills fans, Bills players & their families and the coaches as well. Last but not least, Go Bills, don't get down & keep playing hard.