Tim Tindale

I believe the line in Vegas was 6.5 wins for the Bills to start the year.

I agree with the initial post. I read it to get a good laugh after a win... Bills' fans have lost patience for baby steps-type improvement. It's amazing we're 3-4 given the injuries and the fact that we are on our 4th qb. Everyone wants Hackett's head, yet we're one of two teams (Broncos) that have scored over 20 points in every game. Love this team - more guts than the fans, which is pretty cool. Can't even remember the last time we've won a road divisional game...

It is akin to asking about breathing - never thought about it, never will. I just do it. Being a Bills fan stopped being a conscious decision at birth.

Boooo... This comment sucks. It's far too sane and rational for this board.

I love seeing how many people on the board think the Cowboys will win. It's literally always a good sign... Bills 28-17 over the Cowboys. Jackson, like Lynch last week, runs at will and wears down the Cowboy defense. Bills double Dez Bryant with Austin out. Bills again in first place with the tiebreaker over the Pats, after they pound the Jets.

I wish when you typed, you kept your fingers on the home row keys more often.

This thread is a laugh. Brady threw 4 picks in their loss to the Bills and is having a lousy game against the Cowboys. I doubt Boston is complaining about their lack of a franchise quarterback. Fitz has had injuries across his OL and has lost 3 of his top 5 WR's since the preseason (Evans, Jones, and Parrish). This team is light years ahead of anything we've had in Buffalo for well over a decade. We're a top 5 offense that puts up 20+ pts every game. We don't have an issue on offense and especially qb. Give it a rest. It's hard to win on the road in the NFL and we have two road losses to winning teams by under 7 points each. This year has been a lot of fun and Fitzy is a big part of the resurgence. How about enjoying the ride... By the way, didn't we under-spend the cap by 20MM+ this year. We've way overachieved, especially given the injuries.

I don't know what is more shocking - the rumor or that people think it's a terrible deal for the Bills. It's like getting a rent-a-#1 WR (or even #2) for a special teamer. It's not even a real debate.

All i know is that I felt less miserable reading this silly message board when we were losing. We're like beaten puppies. When I master gives us a treat, we think it's poisoned. I'm looking for virtual high-fives, not 73 reasons why we are going to suck next week. Wait, no, next week. Wait, no, next week... repeat until miserable.

27-10 Bills cruise.

According to rotoworld.com, McGee has already been declared "out" for Week 4.

Wonder what the odds are that the Bills sign a veteran corner off the waiver wire given McGee and Williams are both out. That leaves the Bills 4 healthy corners - McKelvin,Florence, Rogers, and Corner (who they cut in training camp). Anyone read an update on this anywhere?

Except that Spiller picked up the blitz on that Nelson TD on the last drive.

I had it last year and it was bad, but was hoping that it was my laptop. Obviously not.

anyone have a link to an internet link for the game. This PS3 feed is dreadful.

Johnny White does look a little Marshawn Lynch-esque. Looks like he wants to hit someone when he hits a hole.

Just because a team blew first round money on a qb, it doesn't necessarily follow that these qb's are "elite" and/or "franchise". By that logic, we should have let JP Losman quarterback the Bills for next decade. And, Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez are hardly either; they both benefit from a defense that can take over games. Sanchez has more ints than tds in his career. Cutler is one year removed from 26 ints and had nearly identical stats to Fitzy in 2010. I'm obviously guessing here, but I think fans from both cities tolerate these guys, but have no illusion that they are "franchise qb's". If so, then I'm not clear what a franchise qb is (apparently, it's just one that gets drafted in the first round, but doesn't even have to make a Pro Bowl...). In my opinion, there are a very small handful of transcendent qb's who don't need "help" from a strong running game or front seven. I think that handful is Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers (at least he appears to be developing into one). Incidentally, I don't put Roethlisberger on that list, but I would have considered putting Kurt Warner there (another non-first rounder) not that long ago. I have no idea what Roethlisberger would do with a weak running game and/or defense. The Steelers missed the playoffs last year with a spotty running game. I'm not convinced he can carry a team on his own consistently. Anyway, ironically, only one of the four qb's I consider "transcendent" were top ten picks and only two of them were even first rounders. So, the conclusion that we HAVE to spend a top five pick on a quarterback because this year's playoffs provide plenty of evidence for the merits of doing so... I think that's an incorrect interpretation of the facts.

I think the Jets are proving that a franchise qb is a luxury, but not a necessity, in order to be a bonafide playoff team. If you can run and stop the run, you can beat even Manning and Brady in the playoffs.

Wood was a four-year starter at Louisville at center and a third-team All-American at the position his senior year. The Bills moved him to guard his rookie year (last year). I'm not at all surprised he's catching people's attention at the position that he's probably most comfortable with.

I'd be more worried about not having a Hall of Fame QB that is capable of carrying a team to a title if we weren't 32nd in the league against the run. Marino, Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, and Warren Moon never won Super Bowls, but Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer have. This obsession over having Hall of Famers at QB as our only chance to win a Super Bowl... let's build a defense and an offensive line that would actually enable us to make the playoffs once a decade and we can kick our 2:1 TD/INT ratio QB to the curb after.

Corey Mac is a warrior.

Context. Perspective. We have a winner. Most refreshing thing I've ever read on this board. I thought I was the only one who felt this way...

I smell a Luck aka Chuck Norris joke coming on... Andrew Luck can kill two stones with one bird. I couldn't resist.

Just a few observations after reading numerous "we need a franchise qb" posts/threads: a) People reference Brees and Brady as poster children for why we should be taking a QB in the Top 5. Brees was "too short" and slipped into the second round the year he was drafted and Brady was a 6th. The number of "franchise qb's" in the league that were top 5 picks isn't an incredibly long list. The process of grading out quarterback talent is inconsistent at best. b) The notion that teams can't make the playoffs or can't win a Super Bowl without a "top tier" QB is just wrong. I think Marino was one of the top QB's of all-time and never won one. Elway didn't win one until he had Terrell Davis and decent defense. It takes a balanced roster. One guy doesn't win anything in the NFL and there have been plenty of teams that have made playoff runs without a upper echelon QB. I actually think it's harder to find teams that have gone deep into the playoffs that do not have strong defensive lines and offensive lines. Fitz can be a playoff quarterback, but not with a team that gives up 175 yards/game on the ground. About 8 weeks ago, we were talking about how much of an embarrassment the OL was. Now Fitz rarely gets sacked and the passing game has actually opened up the running game a bit. I think he's elevated the play of an under-talented line, which is saying something about how strong of a year he is actually having. The offensive line angst on this board has virtually disappeared, despite a revolving door at one of the tackle positions. c) What constitutes a franchise qb? Honestly, I'd observe that nearly every other team has found their franchise QB, but the Bills. Or at least, that's what many seem to imply. I mean there are so many consistently solid-to-above average teams in the NFL now. Let's say 15 or so. I mean, Packers, Vikes, Chargers, Colts, Jets, Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Saints, Falcons. There is another group that we'd probably classify as "always a threat/typically in the mix" such as the Cowboys, Bengals (won the AFC North last year), Dolphins, etc. How many of these teams have franchise qb's, because that's a significant amount of teams. Furthermore, how many of these teams could we swap out their starter for Fitz and they'd still be playoff-type teams? I'd argue that it's quite a few. Not all of them, but a lot. The point of all of this. One player, even the QB, doesn't make a playoff team. Yes, a Brady and Manning are a one-in-a-generation guys and can obviously carry you quite far. History would say that the odds of landing that guy are remote, even with a top five pick. I think you find a solid qb, you build around him with strong offensive lines and defensive lines and you have team that can contend every year. Fitz is showing that he can be that solid qb. If not, you can pick up a solid qb off of free agency after you've put the other pieces in place. No way we ever contend with the defense we have, especially given the run defense.

I think great ones throw picks at inopportune times quite frequently; perhaps you saw my horrible INT against the Saints in the NFC Championship game last year. You could write a novel about all of the inopportune picks I've thrown in my career yet some say that I'm the greatest QB ever. To win the big reward, you have to take the big risk... and I still have a ring Signed, Brett Favre