Tim Tindale

This ridiculously absurd thread is aging well.

AWESOME YEAR and what a fun ride! Need to add some pieces to accommodate KC’s speed as their last hurdle. So many decades of mediocrity up in smoke this year. This game had echos of 1988 when we got outmatched by Boomer, Icky Woods, and the rest of the Bengals in the ACG - young team at the skill positions still trying to gain experience in the big moments. We will be back! BIIIIIIIIIIILS!!!

I also thought Taron had a really big game, even sans the pick. He was all over the field last night, including a lot of support in the run game. He is an underrated tackler and wraps up well for corner; a little Antoine Winfield Sr-esque.

Mafia. MOUNT UP. Because Saturday night - tonight - is FIGHT NIGHT! Let’s get it.

How many concussions is that for Taron Johnson? At some point, that starts getting really concerning long term.

I’d like to see the red tops with the blue pants. I think that’d be a great look...

Is dominating a top 5 team to go 7-2 good? I honestly don’t remember what that feels like. Asking for Bills fans everywhere. I guess we can complain about the running game (doomed). Or, that Allen took and necessary hit late on a scramble (poor decision, doomed). Or, it didn’t “feel” like we had it in the bag until the last first down (can’t put teams away at home, doomed).

Reich v Kelly QB controversy: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-21-sp-1899-story.html%3f_amp=true My favorite part of the article: Yet, there was a public clamor for Reich. Two newspapers from nearby Rochester took a telephone poll that revealed a preference for Reich by a vote of 1,267 to 237. There is definitely a “grass is greener” mentality that football fans have around their QB. That will never change.

I’m surprised it’s a debate, but I guess I shouldn’t be. We’ve been wandering in the desert for 20 years, finally find an oasis, and some fans complain that the water isn’t Evian. Then again, in the late-1980’s/early-1990’s, the same percentage of the fanbase wanted Kelly shipped out in favor of Reich (especially after the 1989 Bickering Bills disaster). https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-12-23-sp-9648-story.html Kelly probably would have fared worse than Allen on this poll after that 1989 season, right before four SB appearances. The quarterback gets criticism when the team doesn’t go 19-0 and laments that said quarterback isn’t Tom Brady or Joe Montana. Circle of life... ride the wave, enjoy Allen while he’s here (what a gamer), stop lamenting that we don’t have a first ballot Hall of Farmer, and remember what the 2000’s (and 1970s and most of the 1980s) were like. On to the playoffs!

In the NFL, I think it’s totally easy to beat a division opponent who has a new staff on the road after turning the ball over four times. The fans nailed it...

To be fair, both injury-prone” and “pending free agent” were true in 2017 when they acquired him from the Rams and started him anyway.

I know EJ Gaines has had a tough time staying on the field the last three years with injuries, but he’s a beast when he is. If I recall, the Bills were 8-3 in games he started in their playoff year in ‘17 and looked like one of the best players on the defensive side of the field. Excited to see him back and would be surprised if he ends up the #2. He is still only 27.

Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford were both dumpster fires their rookie years with numbers that look very similar, if not worse, to what Allen is putting up. In fact, I remember thinking there was no way Goff would develop into a decent QB because he had such a poor pocket presence in year 1. Drew Brees’ numbers were still really weak in year 3 with the Chargers (57 pct comp pct, 11 TD, 15 INT, 67 QBR). He didn’t break out until his 4th year. Here is the NFL.com link to the stats of Rookie QB’s by year. There is little discernible correlation between rookie and long term success. Based on their numbers, RGIII, Mike Glennon, and Zach Mettenberger would have looked like potential Top 15 QB’s in the NFL for a long time... http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=0&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go i think history would show that a team has to be willing to invest the time with a QB - certainly beyond one year - to come to any real conclusions. At the very least, rookie numbers don’t tell us much of anything.

Luck was 10 for 25 with two picks against the Bills' blitz. 16 of 24 against the base 4. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6439/andrew-luck

He had four games over 50 yards receiving his rookie year. As someone mentioned, home against the Jets that year (2013) he went 6-81-1 and an additional 17 yards on a reverse, then he only had one target the entire rest of the season. Made zero sense...

I'm not sure if I'm more shocked by the trade or that the board is so split. Shady is one of the top playmakers in the league and our defense is already elite without Alonso. We added an all-pro weapon without giving up a thing (except cap space). I just can't over how much better this roster looks from just three or four years ago. There are all-pro players up and down the roster; this looks more like a potential playoff team than an arena league roster for the first time since the early-2000's. I think Whaley is taking some risk, but I think you have to to get a team over the hump. I think this team is starting to have the look and feel of a Seattle/San Francisco roster.

Russell and smith are/were both sloppy turnover machines at qb that can't/couldn't read nfl defenses. I'd surprised if smith is still in the nfl in a couple years. You can't take care of the football at qb and you aren't a model citizen, you aren't worth the headache. Nothing to do with race. Btw, smith is only the second qb in history to have a qbr under 15 5 games in a row with Russell the first (last link). Not the only one to draw the "simple-minded" comparison... http://www.sportstalk200.com/nfl-news/geno-smith-playing-as-bad-as-jamarcus-russell/2013/ http://www.stampedeblue.com/2013/4/25/4264786/geno-smith-questioning-his-character-is-like-insulting-his-family http://isportsweb.com/2013/12/04/new-york-jets-quarterback-geno-smiths-roller-coaster-rookie-year/

Jamarcus Russell had 13 tds and 7 ints one year. The arrow was pointing up. When a qb has 12 tds and 25 turnovers in one year and home fans were begging for Matt Simms to start, you really have to work hard to come up with "the bright side". But hey, a bills fan found it... In a jet qb.

Geno was a dumpster fire for a qb this year. He has Jamarcus Russell written all over him.

How about season tickets over % of people in the market area? By the way, I'm not sure where you would get the season ticket holder data for various years by team, but maybe your internet skills are better than mine.

The Bills led the NFL in attendance each year from 1990-93, an amazing feat for the league's third-smallest market. And fans have continued to cram into Ralph Wilson Stadium despite cold, windy conditions. http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2000/01/20000124/No-Topic-Name/The-Best-And-Worst-NFL-Fans.aspx ... that's why I said "attendance was 'fantastic'". Hard to be better than leading the league in attendance four years in a row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Buffalo_Bills_season: Divisional playoff game 79.5K attended... Championship game in Cincy only 59K attended. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Buffalo_Bills_season: Divisional playoff game 77.1K attended, Championship game 80.3K attended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Buffalo_Bills_season: Divisional playoff game 80.2K attended, Championship game 80.3 attendedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buffalo_Bills_season: Wild game game 75K+ attended after they got pounded in Houston and Kelly got knocked out in Week 17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Buffalo_Bills_season: Divisional game: 61K attended, Championship game (which I attended): 76K attended and people stood the whole game. You can see the attendance of every game (home and away) in each of the links - playoffs and regular season. Nearly every game I see is 75K-80K in the regular season. It's worth noting that the attendance is meaningfully higher at home than the games on the road, which reinforces the large stadium/small market phenomenon. The data is there everyone to draw their own conclusions...

I believe at 80K capacity, Rich Stadium was the second- or third-largest stadium (LA Coliseum was bigger and I believe Giants Stadium was close) and the second-smallest fan base. What makes it remarkable is the calculation of what % of the population in a 60-mile radius actually had to attend the game to sell it out each Sunday.

I'm pretty sure we hold the single-season attendance record in the NFL (set in 1991). I think I just read that somewhere. I'm not sure where the "trouble filling seats" comes from. Attendance was always fantastic during the Super Bowl years and we had one of the biggest stadiums in the league.

What's wrong with you guys? That is hilarious stuff. Almost real life art in its irony. The only time we've "posterized" anyone in 14 years. Makes it hysterical to me.