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ed Werder just reported that byrd never turned down a 30 mil contract. both sides spinning the turd fan.

i hear you but at this moment I'm tryna think of worst case scenario at 9 where clowney-mack-watkins-robinson-matthews are gone before we pick with the qbs. really hope not tho. watkins-matthews-ronibson id be pretty happy with any of those guys. mike evans i wouldn't be mad at

id love for mack or watkins to be there at 9. but i don't see it.

i like the hires but if you hire a guy and then do not support the guy the guys you hire it is a recipe for failure. we don't know if its true or not yet. but you could hire bill belicheat at this point and have these kinda rumors be true and fail. if the FO isn't behind the GM/HC 100% then its pretty much failure waiting to happen

overdorf/littman are the 2 i have been suspecting of real being behind a lot of the disastrous last 14 years. they are the main consistent factor. i mean how can the GM not be in charge of contract negotiations?

the byrd hate is strong but i find it interesting that some of you say he isn't worth x amount and you'd rather have the team spend that money elsewhere. 2 huge issues i have with this. 1.you can't talk trash about how he isn't elite but then say that the bills should get a 1st round pick for him. if teams are willing to give a first round pick be honest he's a legit payer. 2.what makes you think the bills will use that cap space on other in FA or resigning their own? they have a ton of room and should resign its own players. just a little extra thought is the people who say the bills should not pay the safety position that much cause yaddayyadda yadda. think about this if they don't value the position why draft it? let alone in the second round? its like you want the player to be above average but not elite so you don't have to pay him the elite money.

7 mil is a lot of money ...but the market dictates what his worth is and that market says he deserves more. its pretty simple. and then asking him to risk everything and play on a 1 year deal and risk injury is retarded the bills FO should have tried to negotiate with him 2 years ago. if thats the case his coaching stint will be very short. the % of players that would WANT to be in buffalo given the chance to play in a warm weather city or a team with a winning tradition would be single digits for sure.

its such a strange thing to me that the bills are not in any financially strapped burden as money goes. they drafted one of the best free safeties in the league and should resign him. for the people saying its not a position you pay big money too then why even bother drafting those positions so early? byrd has been great here and the bills should reward him with a contract because he has played like a top safety. drafting players that exceed all expectations and then letting them walk away for no reason besides not wanting to pay the money to the player that won't financially strap you is insanity. its almost like you want to draft players who are just good not great so you can pay them less...even tho you have lots of cap space and money to sign them. that might be the definition of insanity

nope mario wanted to be the highest paid defensive player and no other team had the money they bills had in that year of free agency along with his wanting to play in a 43 and LE. he made it clear he didn't wanna play in a 34. thurman ad jimbo played in a pre salary cap/freeagency type of NFL. you can't really compare the eras and if you don't remember jim kelly also took a dump all over buffalo and played in houston and was forced into the bills when the usfl collapsed. does he love it now? sure but when he was a young pro he thought it was terrible. no i don't think you pay him 100 million hahah what kind of argument is that? you may have said million trillion billion.. he wants to be the top paid safety in the league but that really doesn't mean that much because the next year earl thomas will become the highest paid safety. well new jersey is also a lot closer to NYC and is a ton more attractive than buffalo is for a young professional athlete.

some of you are real weirdos. arguably the bills best defensive player and you guys wanna run him out of town for wanting to be paid what he's worth... seriously some insane rational going on around here. i love the if he doesn't wanna play here lets trade the TYRD guys. no one wants to play in buffalo if you can play in a warm weather city or place with a winning tradition. not to mention the tax issues bills players pay for being the only actual NY team. guys wanna be in the NFL but news flash to you guys...BUFFALO is not a place young pro athletes wanna play. anyway the bills should do what needs to be done to retain byrd.

why is byrd a jerk? cause he's not doing what you want? lol unreal.

I'm pretty sure he won't be a bill based off his tweets about buffalo. rob quinn had a really good read about the new defensive scheme under schwartz with our current roster and spikes is pretty much exactly what the bills need for this D. he uses his MLB as a 2 gap run stuffer kinda like a NT almost. pretty much stephan tulloch. and the OLBs play sideline to sideline. luckily run stuffing LBs are not nearly as hard to find as a LB who can hang in coverage.

i totally agree with needing 2 book end OTs to help with those defenses that move pass rushers around. and it would probably be wise to take one of those OT at 9. but part of me wants a playmaker type at 9. robinson at 9 probably would provide us the most impact tho for the running game and sustained drives.

I'm still not big on a RT at 9 i think if the bills go that route with robinson and if the can get austin seferain jenkins in the 2nd and maybe cyril richardson in the third(his run blocking is really good, pass pro seems like the weakness) that cold really do wonders for this team. sustaining drives longer behind the running game(bills were number 1 in attempts) hopefully it would get us at the top of productivity as well. take pressure off the defense and help the play action. still would love to see sammy watkins/ebron in a bills uni but robinsosn-ASJ-richardson would be sweet. it would be great to see the bills just running it down a teams throat week in and out.

you think we are a RT away from being that good?

i think having 2 bookend OTs would be sweet but taking a right tackle at 9 is kind of a bummer.

for the price id much rather take the chance on kenny britt

i don't get why some posters give credit to this front office to do the right thing and retain its young players and bring in quality free agents. these are all hypotheticals when we can look to the past and see that this FO doesn't do those things. they have drafted badly and more often than not blew it in free agency. if they cared about signing players they would have been proactive about getting byrd signed 2 years ago but they did not. they also would not have split the dead money of fits,anderson over 2 years and would have taken the full cap hit this past season. And can we end the magical hypothetical about well id rather have them spend that money on OL,LB,WR…..they won't spend it!!! they are not going to spend it. look to the past and you will see that history repeats itself. what makes you think they are going to get this right? blind hog finding a acorn? i want to believe they will get it right sooner rather than later but history says they will muck this up. as bills fans people throw this blind loyalty toward the team and don't look at the bigger picture of whats happening. its like dating a terrible girl who keeps cheating on you and ruining your day. your family and friends say dump that trick and yet you stay with her for some unknown dumb reason. I'm not saying to stop backing the bills but we must be real. until there is a change with the FO this is business as usual…. they won't spend the money available and then say they want people who want to be here. want to be a player for a team that is not financially invested in winning. we don't need to be the cowboys or redskins but they need to be committed to keeping its own players. or we can just go ahead and let byrd go and draft a safety early like they did with corners and RBs and OL for the past 10 or so years.

i like decker but i don't think the bills need another number 2 wr. i think he's better than stevie but he's not a guy who's gonna scare anyone with size or speed.

what makes you think the bills will use that money if they don't resign byrd? they didn't try and spend it this past year to fix the OL. legursky we knew was gonna suck. i have no faith that this team will use that money. because we aren't close to the cap now anyway.

i like how people are saying he should want to be here and sign a modest contract. thats a sure fire way to keep on trucking down this road. only sign guys who want to be in buffalo…. you'd lose a huge amount of the players on this team if that was the case. why play in buffalo when you can play in florida or texas where you aren't taxed at the same rate and the weather is much better not to mention it not being a small town. you can also relate it to winning. until this team starts winning you won't be getting players to take a discount to stay.

last year didn't whaley say overdorf handles all the contracts and what not? he said he tells JO who they want and he tries to hammer out a contract and if he can't than they move on. iirc he said that in one of his post promotion videos. I've been saying it for a little while now that i really think the problem is all these middle men. he gets the word from ralph on money and thats what he can work with and the GMs try to get players but if overdorf doesn't get it done than they move on. i also think that in my conspiracy world that eugene parker really has a problem with overdorf not the bills and its become such a stagnant cesspool of a relationship they cannot work together to get a deal done.

id like to get byrd done first and chandler/carrington if the price is right. the one player id really like is kenny britt. he will probably pretty cheap and on a incentive based deal so it should be a boom or bust cheap option. also a guard or RT would be solid. don't need the top options at the position but mid level guys like schwartz type of OL

this thread failed the second people didn't understand what or who hipsters were. i thought it was amusing but man how old and or out of touch is this fan base? jeez

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