dayman

Greatest since '85 bears? Lmfao. Let the season play out.

I'm going to go ahead and say yes...I would trade for Foles if he was healthy and we were going to the playoffs. For sure. People can talk ***** all they want but that would be a great move for us. IDK what you want Dabboll to do it isn't his fault Josh makes bad throws and fumbles. The plans seem balanced, we take risks, guys do get open, we run enough and it works enough ... it's all there man Dabboll is doing a decent job.

The Pats defense as the greatest defense is just utter and complete garbage. Stop with it. They've played total garbage offenses...including us. Our defense is better.

As hard as I am now on Josh this is very true...Josh is in no way sucking as obviously and clearly permanently as EJ did. EJ obviously would never be able to play. Josh just clearly can't play right now...unclear as to the future (although trending poorly).

The stats are what they are...I think everyone would agree that despite the stats Allen does show more promise with the explosive plays and willingness to go for it and having won us a few games with clutch performance. So that's miles above EJ ... on the same token the stats don't mean nothing and they certainly tell truth on the INTs which are terrible.

QB A: 248 - 451, 2,977 yards, 6.6 yard per attempt, 13 tds, 18 interceptions, 13 fumbles, 8-7 recordQB B: 256 - 437, 2,810 yards, 6.4 yards per attempt, 16 TDs, 12 interceptions, 7 fumbles, 6-8 recordQB A is Josh Allen to date (through game 4 of season 2). QB B is EJ Manuel through game 4 of his second season. Reminder, EJ Manuel was benched 4 games into his second season.

It's not a matter of losing faith just a matter of the performance has not been good enough. Not that he can't grow and learn but he should be better at this point. His performance is worse than EJ was through week 4 of season 2 and EJ was benched.

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

Agreed. I think the team is better with Matt right now for this reason--not to say that Matt is great. He certainly has less upside than Josh ... but we're a pretty good football team at the moment and we kind of just need to take care of the football and make a few nice plays. Matt can do that. I think we'll be fine and have a good chance to beat the Titans.

LOL not trolling. I get it and take it with a grain of salt but it's not all bad and nice to know what they write about guys.

Well it's 4 games. Maybe he's doing a lot of under the hood stuff well? That Peko guy really popped off the screen today. He made some big plays ... him and Jordan Philips.

I see him make a play from time to time but haven't watched him closely enough to really know. Anyone got a take? Anyone know how he's been scoring on PFF or other similar analysis tools? If you have the PFF stuff would also like to know about Edwards too. Defense is lights out so I assume all these guys doing good. Edwards had a fantastic run fill today really stood out.

Agreed that we're close to being very good. Need more help on the Oline, probably one more big player in the pass catching arena, and of course good QB play. Honestly with good QB play we're a team that wins a game or two in the playoffs right now. With the other stuff we compete for Superbowl wins.

Not trying to start of a bunch of crap but I think that's a pretty weak flag...we can vent and discuss legit criticism of the team and our QB. This is the pros no college lol...

I really don't know what makes you say that based on the way he played today. Sure penalties and the special teams are to blame but at the end of the day all Josh had to do was NOT lose it and he kept making HUGE mistake after HUGE mistake ALL DAY. It was a terribly frustrating game for the Bills we should have just got a big win and our supposed leader in the making just made himself look like he'll bust out of the league in 2 years. I still have hope for the future with Josh, I like him and think he may be able to turn it around but it is not clear he has the brains to play at this point...really bad day. Worse day in Josh's career easily all things considered.

Hate to say it but today is the first game I am really starting to question if he'll ever be more than average at best (which certainly would have been good enough to win today). Not trying to over react but he was absolute garage today and it's inexcusable. It's 2019 you are supposed to be better than that in year 2.

LOL a win over the Pats. We will not beat the Pats this year.

WTF offensive PI challenge?

wut

Well after all that we are up at halftime lol

Gore looks good, btw

Allen plays 3 games like his it's time to put Matt in there....it's not like we don't have a good back up. That said, not getting crazy. Just saying. Allen isn't the only option. We need to be good this year.

lol every time Shady gets anything....bring it back

FFS Tre White down lmfao this is bad

Is it alcoholism when it's just during Bills games?