dayman

Some significant bacon attempting to be shown today at hearings.

fairly accurate summary

Florida was hit real hard so naturally it is coming back strong. In any event, Florida really is a great place to live so it is only natural.

Well that is different than the wage issue I was quoting...but I still doubt anything can be done.

There is no way to do this and it wouldn't do anything to wealth gaps anyway ...

legitimate lol

"provided/required/authorized by law" means "court order" among other things. Period.

So in other words, on an anonymous Internet message board where you are screaming about civil liberty violations, you simply decline to comment with any specificity on why you are so worked up?

The unreasonable part. And I'm not attacking what I'm saying is you have said over and over that you care about the substance of the program. So instead of raging like that idiot in the video you posted...lay out why the specifics of this program go to far. And I'm not asking for a detailed legal argument with supporting precedent (although that would be nice and I would read it)....just for you to flesh out what has you so upset in way that is a bit more articulate and technical...

That is what we are talking about in large part. And to the point, what reasonable privacy expectations are being violated here?

Well there is a lot of chatter about potential abuse and lies and more things that have yet to come out...but the leak didn't show any of that...you know...the kind of stuff good leaks show...nobody has shown any of that

I have heard a few tv heads claiming that basically the system is source/destination/time of call is stored forever...then they can go back w/ FISA warrant to look at all of that info for a number once they identify a number as a target... For Internet the heads claim they do look at actual content but that nothing for US citizens ever and nothing for people in the US ... unless of course looking at there their stuff happens when looking at foreign terrorists stuff .... but supposedly this program is in someway "real time" and they catch traffic of targets as they flow through US servers ... they do not collect or store this data as they do w/ the phone stuff... In other words...phone stuff is trolling with a net and they sift through what they catch once they have a target to look for...and Internet stuff is more like spear fishing (to stick w/ the fishing analogy) where as they need to identify something ahead of time and need to target that specific fish in real time.

As far as I know that is true for phone calls, not true for texts or web stuff...

Both. The phone program for sure, and to a lesser extent PRISM which as far as I have been shown does not effect US citizens or people in the US unless you have correspondence with a foreign terror suspect.I'm sure more will come out but I haven't seen it yet.

This is exactly the type of kid you want to entrust our country to....not my words.

Pretty sure a lot of people in Congress already know -and have known for some time- more details than are publicly available about this program.

I still fail to see how people can call the idea heroic when the program, if honestly evaluated, is not that outrageous.

I mean, if you had your pick, you pick the guy who went on a rant at the end of his speech about Christ dying an excruciating death so his blood could save us and state censored speech?

!@#$, I agree with Sarah Palin.

Of course nobody is right. Everybody is an idiot in that story.

I can't bring myself to catch up with this thread but generally speaking do people on this board want to do anything, including sending weapons, with regards to Syria at this moment?

3rd is correct. He aided the enemy by telling them what we are doing. He also aided the American people by telling them what we are doing. Both a traitor and a hero. But mainly a traitor until it is proven that something truly outrageous is happening (which it has not bene proven yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKdocYeSqTA

Some self-proclaimed constitutional scholars don't really care about these things...you see...never mind that it created a system of self-government...pay attention only to such self-proclaimed constitutional scholar's reading of certain provisions...do not pay attention to anything else...

If you give information to a news publisher you give it to everyone, including terrorists. That is obvious. Also, the poll contrasts "traitor" with "hero"...so didn't realize legal definitions of treason came into play.