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Someone has to say it: GET OVER IT YOU LOSERS! Sure, his suspension was bad. Yes, it sucks he had an injury when he came back. Now he has a groin issue (which nobody has even said would keep him out of the Seattle game yet)...that also sucks. Not the best half a season of his career, that's for sure. BUT HE IS BACK AND HE IS A GREAT PLAYER! Plus, he isn't going anywhere, no matter what. He's likely to be our best player over the course of the next 3 or 4 years. Cut him a break. It's over. Can we show some of our guys some love when things are bad for a change? These are our guys, this our team for God's sake and as bad as things have been we're .500 with plenty of time chase the WC spot. And... While we're at it, lets give Gilmore break too. Don't get me wrong, this is not a hill I'm willing to die on but at minimum it's getting tired to hear the repeted blasting of Gilmore. He's had good and bad games so far this season, but he really hasn't had bad seasons for us ever. Who cares what goes on with his contract at the end of the year and if he leaves or not, or wants too much money...whatever. Lets watch football and quite killing our own on the boards so much.

Which is ideal for K. Williams. I would really love it if we could squeeze 2 more full seasons out of Williams after this season. He needs to cut snaps big time to be able to stay good and do that.

Great news that Percy is coming back. Can't hurt, and could help a lot if he's really feeling healthy right now. Percy is a great player ... past his prime but you have to assume when he comes back he's feeling decent. He's more of a lifetime gamer than anyone we have on the roster other than Shady.

Cleveland dominated this trade...this is a seriously suspect trade on the Pats side of things. Remember, all this trade gained for the Pats was accelerate and guarantee a 3rd round comp pick for Collins (he was almost certain to warrant a 3rd round comp pick in 2018 for them anyway). What it lost was the most talented player on their defense for the rest of the year when it looks like they are making a strong superbowl run. Even if he didn't "do his job," he should have been benched and used for depth/injury-security. Any non-brainwashed Pats fan should admit this was a mistake. On the Browns' end of things...whatever. They will be rebuilding this offseason and next. If they don't resign him they get the 3rd round comp pick for losing him in 2018. Meanwhile they can evaluate him closely this year and have the inside track to get him via extension if they can reach a price point. He's also probably the most talented player on the entire team at this time...regardless of occasional "freelancing"...

They are expected to receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for Alex Mack last year. You never can confirm ahead of time, but those that know the most about how it works say that'll be a 3rd rounder. Either way the Browns will likely have the first pick and comp picks are at the end of the round so we're talking an handful of picks apart either way (very end of 3rd vs. very start of 4h...we're talking 3 or 4 picks apart at most and possibly 1 pick apart). Last year's first comp pick in the 3rd was (surpise!) the Pats at 97. 98 and 99 were also comp picks and pick 1 in the 4th was pick 100. Either way it was a terrible trade for the Pats. Now you hear talk that he's somehow freelancing and destroying the defense...didn't hear that much of that before the trade. They're making a superbowl run this year and look like the favorites...this doesn't make sense....they would have gotten the 3rd round comp pick one year later (2018) anyway. Maybe they just see the next 3 years as the window and justify it that way....IDK Odds are the Pats will be worse this year and notice if any injuries happen and the Browns will overpay on an extension and be limited in some way as a result (Browns may even fail to sign him lol). The main thing for the Browns is that if they fail to sign him they still get the comp pick next year. So in that sense it's not terrible...IF he's good and is serious about potentially extending.

Karlos needs to drop a few lbs and come back home. It's that simple.

And in my mind Alex Smith is the best point made yet. Alex Smith IS the litmus test. If you are better, you are good. If you are worse, you are not good. At this point, Tyrod is slightly behind Alex Smith (maybe full notch maybe not...depends on who you ask). End of discussion. He has until the end of the season to prove he could be better than Smith. He has until the end of next season to actually be better.

"Second year starter." Nobody evaluates Tyrod like that. This is his 6th year in the NFL. Game time is very important, and nobody evaluates him like 6 year vet...but lets be realistic about what the way he's being measured. He has this year and probably next...do or die. He hasn't done enough yet...will he? IDK...but it doesn't look like it.

Life in the NFL. IMO we've gotten more talented each season Whaley has been in charge. I'm fine with what he's done so far...need to keep working though and my GOD do we need Tyrod (or someone else) to take it to the next level at QB.

Whaley can't go all-out at WR every year. He had to give Rex an offseason on D (Rex's credibility depended on making some long-term investments in D) and had limited money/FA ability this year. You can knock the Rex hire but not last year's off season. We need a complete and total focus on passing game this offseason. Aaron Williams' neck must heal...and the defense must hold. We probably have to eat one big draft pick and/or FA signing on a CB...but that's life. We need 2 serious WR targets (and maybe a QB who knows we'll see).

Defense: Surprise: Alexander obviously there, Z. Brown a second. Disappointment: Gilmore is first b/c he's Gilmore, Darby 2nd b/c somehow he has the worst PFF score of all?...which I didn't realize until just now. (note: Dareus is actually #1 but since he's inactive all year I consider him ineligible). Offense: Surprise: Shady. He's Shady, but I didn't quite expect this. Hopefully this hamstring goes away quick...b/c I did expect that. I'll give second place to Felton. We cut his ass, and even draft Gronk's brother in the summer before we did that! He's proven his worth...everyone raves about him. Disappointment: Tyrod. I'm sorry I don't think he sucks but I just wanted more, and the Bills need more, and there is no more. I'll give second place to Clay and that requires no explanation although it may have a lot to do with Tyrod but hard to portion out the blame. (note: I'm not knocking Sammy for the injury, it's obviously the most disappointing thing on offense but similar to Dareus he's ineligible for purposes of this list).

He will definitely keep going. Can you name a single backup better than Fitz? I can name several starters that are worse...I would say that Tyrod is a roughly tied with him (since he won't take off and run more). It's been a bit of a garbage fire this year, I understand that very well. But lets not get insane about it...they benched him for GENO SMITH. He has every right to go out there and say that the coaches and executives are blame-shifting cowards...they are.

Criticizing Fitz for being arrogant? Guys, we want an arrogant QB. Deserved arrogance or not. The day you have a starting QB that gets benched and isn't pissed is the day you cut him instead of bench him. Fitz is not that good, but he's better than Tyrod. I would take him back. Say what you will, he'll chuck it. If he had just one notch better in the arm category he would be legit (he doesn't and never will be), but he's still in the serviceable category (Tyrod is too). I would put Fitz slightly ahead of Tyrod in that mid-tier category...INTs and all. PS: Also, remember, they benched his ass for Geno. That was a pure coward move by the coaches. Had nothing to do with legit decision-making, they were just covering their own asses and shifting blame. Geno should be happy to collect checks as a backup...he's a 2 or so years from being out of the league. Fitz has at least made a legit career out of the NFL..more than Geno will ever be able to say.

Lets just go ahead and quantify this. Of course, every team wants a Brady. And, of course, there is only 1 Brady (and very few Brady knockoffs). With that said, what kind of attainable QB do we need? We need a Matt Stafford-like QB. Now, don't get me wrong, Stafford is not great b/c he takes sacks, throws picks, and way too often he just kind of goes out there and sucks--for most of the game. BUT...when they need him to sling it...particularly at the end of a game, he has a serious habit of delivering. He's like a poor man's Favre. And that is enough to make him good (not average). My point? We should have a poor man's Favre, not a poor man's Russel Wilson. We can control (more or less) the game w/ D and running...compensate for QB mistakes with roster and playcalling. When it comes to QB...we should not be enamored with conservatism and limiting turnovers. Turnovers happen. So be it. Give me someone with some fire. I'm not anti-Tyrod...but the dude is just too "under control." Show me some fire, show me some risk taking when the game demands it, show me some urgency. Anyway, rambling post...but you get the point. We need something different at QB and Tyrod has not shown signs of the kind of fight we need to call upon from time to time. When it comes time to look around...lets roll the dice on a guy with an arm that can boom or bust any given Sunday...I'll lose that way much more easily than I will the way we lose with Tyrod (helplessly when things don't go according to plan). PS: Yes, I realize our weapons are depleted.

Tyrod is a bottom tier starter, good backup. Everyone knows this.

It's only game 7...and our playmakers are all gone...

Staring last year we had: Sammy Watkins all-world superman Percy Harvin rehabbed superstar Robert Woods finally going to come in his own Charles Clay top 5ish TE in the league Shady McCoy crazy good back Just saying, nobody was saying Whaley ignored offense starting last year. Just so happens that today to we had: Charles Clay the invisible man (as is usual) Goodwin for 1 big play before leaving ...other dudes

I don't rag that much on Dareus b/c: 1) the suspension is over; and 2) We could really use him...when he's out there he CAN win you a game like today where you would otherwise lose. With that said, other posters that blame him are not out of line. If he's out there, you expect he can help us avoid getting run on all day.

Agreed. We suck. We beat a some bad and/or injured teams when they were down and everything was going right for us. That's it. We're a 7 win team max...

Being a CB sucks. Worst job in football. Mad respect for those CBs out there battling every play.

Shady kind of shakes his right hand a bit, rolls his neck, and he's lose. Go time.

Packers are disgusting.

America is sitting around waiting on the Packers offense to finish so they can see the Bears offense take the field. Hilarious.

Passive meaning consistently too willing to game manage. He should be attacking every drive. You watch Packers games, and he ebs and flows from attack mode. Brady is always attacking, always applying pressure.

Hoyer with a Brady-like 3 and 10 seam pass for 25. Very nice. Honestly, he's kind of a weird QB. I'm not going to say he isn't damn good, his ball-flight is considered to be second only to prime-Marino...but he's weird. He's more passive than someone as talented as he is should be, he's inconsistent as a result, and (IMO) he's too young to not take advantage of his legs downfield more often.